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Wolves in Utah

Howard said:
Why do we care? Because it has an impact on an important financial sector for state governments in these rural northern states. No biggie though, just people's jobs.
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Yes. And with a healthier population those animals people flock for miles to see will bring in more people, increasing tax revenues, and yielding the need for more jobs. People would much rather see 20 big moose and 2 wolves than 22 sickly moose and 0 wolves.

Howard said:
And I still disagree on the cattle impact. I can guarantee for a fact that herds in Montana have been hit by them, but they won't call it one unless an official sees it occur...and that's going to be unlikely.
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There are countless grad students that would come up and do the studies for free, or close to it. I doubt those Montana ranchers bother contacting any of the Universities with this opportunity, as if they're wrong there's now numbers to prove it.

Put up, or shut up.

Howard said:
Lastly, you're smart, but you communicate like [omitted]. It doesn't make any of this enjoyable.
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Mud slinging will get you no where. He who shall not be named never posts links, or has numbers. So which of us, exactly, posts like that?
 
ElRoach0 said:
Well of course you don't. Why would you look at studies that people did with legitimate numbers when you can run with gut feeling and anecdotal evidence?
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The dumb **** thread killer has arrived. I liked all the links to studies following your dumb assed, sensationalized youtube video.
 
franklin said:
The dumb **** thread killer has arrived. I liked all the links to studies following your dumb assed, sensationalized youtube video.
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Well.. I could play the "But he edited his post" card like you have in the past, But instead, I admitted it and apologized. Albeit backhandedly, but it was still acknowledgement and apology.

I can see you're still upset over my troll job. Good to see you too, superstar.
 
ElRoach0 said:
Yes. And with a healthier population those animals people flock for miles to see will bring in more people, increasing tax revenues, and yielding the need for more jobs. People would much rather see 20 big moose and 2 wolves than 22 sickly moose and 0 wolves.



There are countless grad students that would come up and do the studies for free, or close to it. I doubt those Montana ranchers bother contacting any of the Universities with this opportunity, as if they're wrong there's now numbers to prove it.

Put up, or shut up.



Mud slinging will get you no where. He who shall not be named never posts links, or has numbers. So which of us, exactly, posts like that?
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You're literally not even tracking what I'm saying, and I just had a baby so I'm not going to do this. You just don't get it.

I'm going to end with this though. The idea that a layman can look at research studies and decide they know more about a subject than somebody with actual real life experience in that subject is asinine. It happens all the time on the Internet, and even I've done it sometimes. It's ridiculous. And don't you dare say I'm doing the mud slinging. You've been insulting me this entire time.
 
Cunning Linguist said:
Kill nature off if it means we can make money!!!

Brilliant.
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You mean I don't like it when a non-native species is introduced, threatening the efficiency of several industries?! Shocker!

I'm gonna go drop off a bunch of grizzly bears in New York City, then tell people they can't explain bc "nature".
 
Howard said:
You're literally not even tracking what I'm saying, and I just had a baby so I'm not going to do this. You just don't get it.

I'm going to end with this though. The idea that a layman can look at research studies and decide they know more about a subject than somebody with actual real life experience in that subject is asinine. It happens all the time on the Internet, and even I've done it sometimes. It's ridiculous. And don't you dare say I'm doing the mud slinging. You've been insulting me this entire time.
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But that's the thing... I'm some idiot; sure. The people doing the research aren't. They're boots on the ground in the middle of it. It's one thing for the jacka$$ like me to analyze all of this. It's another thing for the guys with the remote collars on the elk and wolf subjects. They're the ones telling you this data. I'm just the piss poor mouthpiece.

So who you gonna believe? The guy that had a couple of his animals killed that one time, or the guys that tracked the animals for weeks, and continued surveillance with radio collars for 12 months?
 
Now if you want me to make fun of you, I wouldn't lead you down that path at all. You've been told that your religion is bunk, and had that statement backed up with data your entire life. You're prepared to fall on your sword to the last for what you believe.

If I were to make fun of you, I'd remind you that God created the wolf as well as the elk, deer, bison, cow, and all manner of beast. I'd remind you that although he gave us dominion over them, he did not give us permission to erase them from history.
 
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Roach bro, handlers is arguing that the woof is a different species of woof. He kind of has a point. They are missing a sub species in this re intro that has gone extinct.
 
This guy believes all the wolves (or at least one in every pack) has a collar.

That's adorably naive.

But hey, who am I? I'm just a guy who has half his family in the ranching industry. Most of my friends growing up are in the ranching industry. Then I met more ranching kids in college! Most of them graze cattle in the mountains for part of the year. I'm not a student researcher though, and neither are they, which means what I know is bunk. That seems logical.
 
Howard said:
You mean I don't like it when a non-native species is introduced, threatening the efficiency of several industries?! Shocker!

I'm gonna go drop off a bunch of grizzly bears in New York City, then tell people they can't explain bc "nature".
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These wolves didn't migrate? Someone brought them there?
 
Cunning Linguist said:
These wolves didn't migrate? Someone brought them there?
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Well...yes to both counts. They were reintroduced to Yellowstone in 95 because the elk population was too high, causing an unbalanced Eco system. Personally, I would have preferred they just let people hunt in Yellowstone (limited tags, more money, guide required)...but yeah.
 
Howard said:
Well...yes to both counts. They were reintroduced to Yellowstone in 95 because the elk population was too high, causing an unbalanced Eco system. Personally, I would have preferred they just let people hunt in Yellowstone (limited tags, more money, guide required)...but yeah.
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No ****.

Or even better...

Populate more wolves than necessary and distribute tags for both elk and wolves and fire away.
 
I bought a 14,000 acre ranch (about a month ago) inside of Bryce National Park. It's awesome.

There are several natural springs and the Indians had called it by a name with 'deer' in the title because it's the thoroughfare for mass migration.

Anyway, some dude was telling me all the entitlements I got with the property. Apparently can graze 93 cattle (thanks, it's my ****ing land), it has 7 wells and holding troughs, blah blah blah... he got to the point that I "get a deer tag each year." Yeah... I'm gon shoot any damn thing that's on my property... ****ing bureaucratic hacks.

I know I stated this earlier, but I set up a GoPro with motion sensor and it took no time to fill the storage.

Turkey
Coyote
Eagles
BEAR (1)
MASSIVE bull elk

I can't wait to build an off-the-grid home up there.
 
Dr. Jones said:
I bought a 14,000 acre ranch (about a month ago) inside of Bryce National Park. It's awesome.

There are several natural springs and the Indians had called it by a name with 'deer' in the title because it's the thoroughfare for mass migration.

Anyway, some dude was telling me all the entitlements I got with the property. Apparently can graze 93 cattle (thanks, it's my ****ing land), it has 7 wells and holding troughs, blah blah blah... he got to the point that I "get a deer tag each year." Yeah... I'm gon shoot any damn thing that's on my property... ****ing bureaucratic hacks.

I know I stated this earlier, but I set up a GoPro with motion sensor and it took no time to fill the storage.

Turkey
Coyote
Eagles
BEAR (1)
MASSIVE bull elk

I can't wait to build an off-the-grid home up there.
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So jelly.
 
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