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Would you Flip Conley for Paul this Off-Season?

Would You Trade Conley for Paul

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I just see Paul declining faster. IMO I trust him less than Conley to stay healthy, which is why Paul could likely regress much more next year then you wouldn’t even be able to unload him next season if it’s a mistake.
Believe it or not. A "declining" CP3 just had a playoff campaign that's better than Conley's career average. Even in the Mavs series which he got widely criticized for, he still averaged 13/4/5 on 55%/48%/91% shooting. A "washed" CP3 is still miles better than Conley ever been in a jazz uniform, that's assuming he could stay healthy.
 
We dont have high energy athletic players, sure. But Conley's still helped by a all time great rim protector in Rudy so let's not pretend it's the Jazz who's making him look bad.

I mean you are kinda contradicting yourself a bit here.

Conley makes "good rotation" but he isn't versatile enough to cover other positions, which make his "good rotation" pointless. He can guard the PG position only but he's too small and would just get shot over by the big PGs like Luka and isn't quick enough or strong enough to keep up with some of the more athletic/physical PGs like Morant or Brunson. So the question really shouldn't be us causing problem for Conley, when he's very much part of our problem.


Rotations doesn't mean switches and some good defensive teams do great job of not allowing switches.

Luka wasn't the tallest person on the Mavs and he shot 3 of 8 when he was guarded by Conley. During the regular season Forwards shot %46 and %34. His size doesn't help him, I don't think anyone is arguing that. We need someone tall and versatile alongside Mitchell to offset his weaknesses. That doesn't mean Conley is a bad defender or that he is a liability. He just isn't solving anything for this Jazz team.

Since the thread is about Chris Paul, my point is that the swap could be even more disastrous. Suns heavily tried to hide Chris Paul on defense by limiting the distance he covers, giving him the least problematic opponent and keeping him out of actions. Jazz didn't do that with Conley and can't afford to do that with Chris Paul.
 
Believe it or not. A "declining" CP3 just had a playoff campaign that's better than Conley's career average. Even in the Mavs series which he got widely criticized for, he still averaged 13/4/5 on 55%/48%/91% shooting. A "washed" CP3 is still miles better than Conley ever been in a jazz uniform, that's assuming he could stay healthy.
In theory I agree with you, but he’s 37 years old and is even more fragile then Conley making more money. He’s a bigger gamble. Even if the jazz did that swap, and all goes well, and he has something left in the tank, what has the jazz gained other then some leadership and a few more wins. They are still going to have to blow it up over the next year or two, he’s not bringing a star or a chip over to Utah and he’s expensive for the next two years at 37.
 
The only benefit Paul brings to the jazz is leadership, other than that, he’s Sloan down much more then Conley, and will only get worse next season. I think he’s much more injury prone than Conley. What exactly does this swap do for the jazz then POSSIBLY make us marginally better for only next season IMO, oh and he’s more expensive and I’m sure the suns want other assets because it’s CP3. We are better off starting over sooner rather then later.
It would be not only leadership, he would be able to feed Rudy much better than Conley. He is a master of midrange and lob game.
 
It would be not only leadership, he would be able to feed Rudy much better than Conley. He is a master of midrange and lob game.
Is that getting us a chip, no. I did say he could get us more wins assuming he does the impossible and stays healthy. Still doesn’t get us closer to contending.
 
Sure, I would love to see Rudy happy about the touches for once though.
Right because Rudy being happy is wayyyy more important than winning a chip. Who the **** cares about happiness. I won’t be happy till we are champs, so screw Goberts happiness, I’m sure he’d say the same thing.
 
Rotations doesn't mean switches and some good defensive teams do great job of not allowing switches.

Luka wasn't the tallest person on the Mavs and he shot 3 of 8 when he was guarded by Conley. During the regular season Forwards shot %46 and %34. His size doesn't help him, I don't think anyone is arguing that. We need someone tall and versatile alongside Mitchell to offset his weaknesses. That doesn't mean Conley is a bad defender or that he is a liability. He just isn't solving anything for this Jazz team.

Since the thread is about Chris Paul, my point is that the swap could be even more disastrous. Suns heavily tried to hide Chris Paul on defense by limiting the distance he covers, giving him the least problematic opponent and keeping him out of actions. Jazz didn't do that with Conley and can't afford to do that with Chris Paul.
Rotation does mean switch in basketball buddy

"Defensive rotation in basketball is when a team switches defensive assignments in a single play."


All it takes is a quick google search. Not hard.

Good teams can deny switches. Sure. But to deny switches you have to be physical enough to navigate through the hard screens or stay in front of you man consistently with quick footwork. The Jazz can do neither.

Individual matchup stats can be extremely deceiving especially for a guy like Luka who's basically unguardable when he's having his way, but can miss some real freebies when he isn't in his best game shape.

Mikal Bridges is one of the league's best defenders and will make multiple nba all defense appearances, but guess what, Luka shot 18/31 against him in that Suns series.

DM has been pretty bad defensively I think there's no much argument against that. But Luka only shot 1/5 against him this season.

So does that make DM/Conley better defenders than Bridges?

I think you also need to look at the distance in which those shots were taken. Some of these shots were long balls that were difficult to make even without much pressure from the defender. I mean players probably shoot somewhere in the high 40s against Rudy while shooting worse % against most guards. But that's largely due to a lot of those shots attempted against Rudy being high % looks right around the rim, so you can't really take those numbers without putting them into context.

I mean even if your point stands (that Conley is a good individual defender), what good does it do? I bet Azubuike is a pretty legit individual defender in the post as well. But there's just no place for one dimensional defender in modern nba any more. You gotta be able to adapt to guarding more than just one positions. Unless you are some elite offensive player that would justify teams utilizing all of their resources to hide you on D. But they can do that for one player. They can't do it for two.

That's the problem with Conley in a nutshell. He's one dimensional defensively and isn't good enough offensively. CP3 is and that's why the it worked to a very large degree when the Suns hid him on D.

Even if we remove DM from the team right now and give Conley the full CP3 treatment, where would he take us?
 
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That's the problem with Conley in a nutshell. He's one dimensional defensively and isn't good enough offensively. CP3 is and that's why the it worked to a very large degree when the Suns hid him on D.

Well CP3 has his own set of problematic area’s muy main concern is age and health. That trumps Conley being a one dimensional defender with lesser offensive game which I’m not sure is accurate
 
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