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framer said:
The Blazers are $30 million into the luxury tax next year for an 8th seed. That looks pretty screwed to me. Moreover, where does their internal growth come from? Additionally, that 8 seed is not a given next year as Denver and the T-Pups are going to pass Portland.
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They got plenty of young players, draft picks, and a promising young center. They have plenty of room for internal growth. They also have one of the richest people in the world owning their team. Being in the lt is only a problem if your owner says its a problem.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
They got plenty of young players, draft picks, and a promising young center. They have plenty of room for internal growth. They also have one of the richest people in the world owning their team. Being in the lt is only a problem if your owner says its a problem.

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They will need to clear space for that young center after next season. While I agree with you that nobody is going to give up Dame to unload salaries (unless he requested to be moved), Portland is not in a great spot. You are paying Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, and Leonard over 50% of the salary cap for the future. I don't care who your other players are, you are in a bad spot unless they suddenly make a dramatic improvement.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They got plenty of young players, draft picks, and a promising young center. They have plenty of room for internal growth. They also have one of the richest people in the world owning their team. Being in the lt is only a problem if your owner says its a problem.

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There is a incremental penalty for going over the tax, which means thehigher you go over, the harder you get penalized. In addition to that, there is a repeat offender tax that kicks in if you are in the tax 3 of 4 years, which means you can only be in the tax two years and then have to be out at least two years to avoid hitting it again.

What that means is that 30 million over isn't what's being paid. It's considerably more than that, but in two years, they will get hammered by the repeat offender penalty. I haven't bothered to do the math, as they don't even have info for teams over 20 million into the tax, but I'm guessing they could be 100 million into the penalty after two years.(the incremental maximums are confusing to me, so someone who's better with numbers could probably get a better estimate https://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q21)

This team could easily be paying a king's ransom to perpetually be scraping their way into the a first round asskicking, year after year, or possibly coming up short of even making the playoffs. Nurkic is gonna have to stay healthy and they are going to have hit on at least one of their draft picks.

They look pretty screwed to me for the moment. Rich guys don't get rich by throwing away money, year after year on treadmill teams. I'd be willing to bet they lose at least one pick dumping Turner or Leonard.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They got plenty of young players, draft picks, and a promising young center. They have plenty of room for internal growth. They also have one of the richest people in the world owning their team. Being in the lt is only a problem if your owner says its a problem.

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Which players in particular are you expecting growth from? How do they get the ball enough times to make a difference with their current usage? They need defense, badly, and Jusuf Nurkić isn't the answer.
 
MDAV28 said:
They will need to clear space for that young center after next season. While I agree with you that nobody is going to give up Dame to unload salaries (unless he requested to be moved), Portland is not in a great spot. You are paying Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, and Leonard over 50% of the salary cap for the future. I don't care who your other players are, you are in a bad spot unless they suddenly make a dramatic improvement.
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Why do they have to clear space? They have bird rights.

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framer said:
Which players in particular are you expecting growth from? How do they get the ball enough times to make a difference with their current usage? They need defense, badly, and Jusuf Nurkić isn't the answer.
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Nearly every player on their roster. Is anyone over 28 on that roster?

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Why do they have to clear space? They have bird rights.

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Having absolutely 0 cap flexibility is something you should only really do as a contender. You severely limit trades, obviously you are completely out of the Free Agent Market. So if you think this roster can be a contending roster than by all means pay Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, Leonard 55+ million.
 
MDAV28 said:
Having absolutely 0 cap flexibility is something you should only really do as a contender. You severely limit trades, obviously you are completely out of the Free Agent Market. So if you think this roster can be a contending roster than by all means pay Crabbe, Turner, Harkless, Leonard 55+ million.
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They could as much as anyone not named Warriors/Caves.

Cap flexibility is great and all, but its only so valuable if you can't land top tier free agents. Blazers got a good team that has potential. This thought they are in a bad spot is absurd. They got a rich owner and a fun/young team. There is plenty of room for growth internally with all the assets they have.


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And if the Blazers are really that desperate to clear cap room, they have 3 first round picks in a deep draft. They don't have to deal Lillard or CJ.

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
They could as much as anyone not named Warriors/Caves.

Cap flexibility is great and all, but its only so valuable if you can't land top tier free agents. Blazers got a good team that has potential. This thought they are in a bad spot is absurd. They got a rich owner and a fun/young team. There is plenty of room for growth internally with all the assets they have.


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Well the issue here is how you feel about the roster then. Their cap situation IS terrible, it's a fact, but if you feel the players are worth it and can lead them to contention (or be used as assets) then sure you wouldn't think they are in a bad spot. I don't feel that way at all.
 
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