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Would you trade Exum for Lavine?

would you trade Exum for Lavine

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Sexual Favors said:
Yes I would. His mindset is better, he's more athletic, a better dunker, a better shooter, and he's similarly sized/young.


I'm not closing the book on Exum in anyway, I still think he'll develop to be good, but if you all remeber, I really really wanted Lavine from this draft.
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How do you see him personality wise? Would he be a good fit?
 
I'm bowing out of this vote only because I wanted Lavine more than I wanted Exum.

But I'm still positive on Exum. He could turn it around
 
jope said:
The thing that eats at me about exum is he is nothing like I thought he would be. I though he would be getting in the lane at will, and be working toward finishing with contact. Like burks with better vision. He has absolutely been the opposite of that.. Was he just fools gold, or is he trying not to be himself?
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With Exum, it's not about what he is, but what he is going to be. Kind of sucks because there's no way to know. My hypothesis is that he just needs to feel like he "belongs" in the league and he'll start playing the way he did in U18.

The biggest thing that concerns me is Snyder and his staff. Why hasn't Exum progressed overall? Why has he regressed in certain areas? What are they teaching him and how much and what kind of focus have they been giving him?
 
I like ZL better now and would do the trade based on what I've seen so far. Hoping Exum improves dramatically as a shooter and distributor so we're happy with our pick.
 
Triangle Man said:
The bottom line is when Exum is on the court the team averages 106.4 pts per 100 possessions offensively, and allows 105.9 pts per 100 possessions defensively.

When Exum is off the court the team averages 108.2 pts per 100 possessions offensively, and allows 113.4 pts per 100 possessions defensively.

I'm pretty sure this means that Exum actually does help this team win ballgames.
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Nope. It does not mean that at all. RPM is designed to account for who you are playing with (to some extent). Exum has a negative RPM. He is hidden by playing virtually all of his minutes with Hayward and Favors. If I played in a rec league with Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, and Duncan, I'm sure we'd have a positive point differential too, but that doesn't mean I'm helping them win.

I was primarily responding to multiple posters who were critiquing Lavine's RPM. Which is really bad. But we can't use one statistic for one player to show he's good, and a different one to show that another player is bad. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
 
Spinoza said:
With Exum, it's not about what he is, but what he is going to be. Kind of sucks because there's no way to know. My hypothesis is that he just needs to feel like he "belongs" in the league and he'll start playing the way he did in U18.

The biggest thing that concerns me is Snyder and his staff. Why hasn't Exum progressed overall? Why has he regressed in certain areas? What are they teaching him and how much and what kind of focus have they been giving him?
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I agree. I think Exum is going to show major improvement in year 2 and 3 once he adjusts. Coming from HS Australia ball, he just wasn't ready for the physicality of the NBA. Locke mentioned the other day that he thinks Exum is ready for the season to be over so that he can get his body ready for next year. I don't think we're going to see anything different from him over the next few weeks.
 
I'll be honest and say I wasn't a big fan of the Jazz drafting Exum with the 5th pick. He looked very raw, a mystery and somewhat unprepared for the league. I wanted someone who could step in right away and contribute like Marcus Smart but.. he made a douche bag-like move and said he didn't want to get drafted by the Jazz. Exum has a lot potential but it'll take some hurtin' time. Would I trade Exum for Lavine if given the opportunity? Yes. Lavine isn't shying away from being aggressive and is showing a lot of confidence in his game when he plays on the court. But hey, that's just me. :rolleyes:
 
Triangle Man said:
The bottom line is when Exum is on the court the team averages 106.4 pts per 100 possessions offensively, and allows 105.9 pts per 100 possessions defensively.

When Exum is off the court the team averages 108.2 pts per 100 possessions offensively, and allows 113.4 pts per 100 possessions defensively.

I'm pretty sure this means that Exum actually does help this team win ballgames.
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What it does is provide evidence for the claim that Exum helps the team win ballgames, but it doesn't mean that. Exum being on the court could be correlated with some other variable(s) that are causing the improvement. The most obvious one is Gobert. For simplicity, imagine that Exum and Gobert always played together and hold everything else constant. In that case it would be impossible, using numbers alone, to determine whether Exum or Gobert or some combination of the two was the cause of the improved play.

With all that said, I feel very certain and have for a long time that the Jazz are a better team with Exum on the court, regardless of his awful individual statistical performance.
 
Spinoza said:
How do you see him personality wise? Would he be a good fit?
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personality wise, I think he'd fit in very well. Outsiders see him as cocky, but insiders say he is confident and someone who listens. They say he is a gym rat who literally spends every waking moment working on his game, despite being told about the rookie wall over and over again (he seems to actually busted right through it). Sure, he thinks he's a little thug, but he's more Space Jam than gangster. He'd fit in with Hayward who used to make rap songs called "I'm too big yo." I love players with determination and confidence, so long as they believe they still need to improve, which he does believe as evidenced by his time in the gym.

Also, those comparing Lavine to Burke are way off base. Worst case scenario is Lavine never has good enough judgement to be a PG, well then he has perfect size for an SG who can shoot, pass, and penetrate. If Trey can't figure it all out, he's just screwed as he can only pass (when he chooses to).
 
Now if only there was a way to have both Lavine and Exum. Ex as PG, and Lavine as the two-man.

Would anyone do Trey, the 2015 pick, and some second rounders*

* (if the 2015 pick was #13 and out of reach for all good players)
 
Sexual Favors said:
personality wise, I think he'd fit in very well. Outsiders see him as cocky, but insiders say he is confident and someone who listens. They say he is a gym rat who literally spends every waking moment working on his game, despite being told about the rookie wall over and over again (he seems to actually busted right through it). Sure, he thinks he's a little thug, but he's more Space Jam than gangster. He'd fit in with Hayward who used to make rap songs called "I'm too big yo." I love players with determination and confidence, so long as they believe they still need to improve, which he does believe as evidenced by his time in the gym.

Also, those comparing Lavine to Burke are way off base. Worst case scenario is Lavine never has good enough judgement to be a PG, well then he has perfect size for an SG who can shoot, pass, and penetrate. If Trey can't figure it all out, he's just screwed as he can only pass (when he chooses to).
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Lavine is small for a SG. He is 180 lbs, and there are some PGs with a longer wingspan and standing reach.
 
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