Would you trade Exum for Lavine?

[Harambe]

Now if only there was a way to have both Lavine and Exum. Ex as PG, and Lavine as the two-man.

Would anyone do Trey, the 2015 pick, and some second rounders*

* (if the 2015 pick was #13 and out of reach for all good players)

Yes. But I doubt Minnesota will bite unless they're more upset with Rubio than they lead on.

 

[bmg melbourne]

With Exum, it's not about what he is, but what he is going to be. Kind of sucks because there's no way to know. My hypothesis is that he just needs to feel like he "belongs" in the league and he'll start playing the way he did in U18.

The biggest thing that concerns me is Snyder and his staff. Why hasn't Exum progressed overall? Why has he regressed in certain areas? What are they teaching him and how much and what kind of focus have they been giving him?

I really like your comments and agree with you. I too wonder what the staff are focusing on with Exum. When Dante was asked how Snyder had helped him out so far he referred to Quin showing some step drills or something like that.

You would hope the staff are focusing on getting Dante to drive to the rim on a more regular basis. as long as he keeps practicing his shooting the 3 shot will gradually improve, but they need to get on his back on a daily basis about driving to the rim.

To be serious though this is a stupid thread, nearly every rookie point guard in the NBA is far more advanced in confidence and being aggressive in the NBA right now than Dante is. Dante was always going to take time and personally I don't think we will see an NBA quality point guard in Exum until year 3.

They should have started 2 threads instead of this one.

Thread 1 - those that hate Exum: post here
Thread 2 - those that like Exum: post here

I did want to add though that I agree with everything negative people have said about Dante's offensive game. The one thing that really angers me is that next year when/if Dante starts driving to the rim on a more consistent basis, say 2 or 3 times a game he will make mistakes as would be expected. However these will be mistakes he should be making in his rookie year and by not getting to the rim enough this year he is kinda delaying his own development and he only has himself to blame.

Either he learns to get to the rim or he will have no NBA career to develop.

 

[Ben10]

Hack this tread makes no sense to me. For the last year all you have railed on is how defense wins championships. Now you want to trade a good defensive pass first PG for a guy that is shoot first and gives up 4 blowby layups a game to Trey Burke? Your flip flopping is confusing


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[The Blue Elephant]

I am surprised the answers were this split on a Jazz forum.

 

[Sexual Favors]

Lavine is small for a SG. He is 180 lbs, and there are some PGs with a longer wingspan and standing reach.

Height-wise he is perfect for an sg. Weight-wise, he is young and could grow. Per draftexpress, his wingspan is longer than Hayward's, who has managed to become a very good defender (our defense returned when Hayward returned, mind you). Hayward's wingspan is 6'7.75" abd Lavine's is 6'8.25". His standing reach is 8'4" which isn't elite, but definitely not horrible. A 6'8" wingspan for an sg is pretty decent, though. Throw in his speed and hops and I think you're more than covered.

 

[FalseFlagg K]

Height-wise he is perfect for an sg. Weight-wise, he is young and could grow. Per draftexpress, his wingspan is longer than Hayward's, who has managed to become a very good defender (our defense returned when Hayward returned, mind you). Hayward's wingspan is 6'7.75" abd Lavine's is 6'8.25". His standing reach is 8'4" which isn't elite, but definitely not horrible. A 6'8" wingspan for an sg is pretty decent, though. Throw in his speed and hops and I think you're more than covered.

don't give a fat rat's clacker about his wingspan or reach. Anyone that made it look like Trey blew past them for an easy layup is a giftedly atrocious defender.
Can't see him putting much weight on either, he looks like that already strong wiry type who won't get much bigger. Dante looks skinny and floppy and weak but will probably put on some good thickness with time.

 

[Jazz Spazz]

Nope. It does not mean that at all. RPM is designed to account for who you are playing with (to some extent). Exum has a negative RPM. He is hidden by playing virtually all of his minutes with Hayward and Favors. If I played in a rec league with Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, and Duncan, I'm sure we'd have a positive point differential too, but that doesn't mean I'm helping them win.

I was primarily responding to multiple posters who were critiquing Lavine's RPM. Which is really bad. But we can't use one statistic for one player to show he's good, and a different one to show that another player is bad. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

The Jazz have won 60% of their games since Exum became the starter on Jan 22. Gobert did not begin as starter until Feb 20th.
The Jazz had won 33% of their games before Exum became the starter.

Go ahead and run whatever stats you want to prove your point.

The bottom line is Exum is a part of the good things going on with this team, and with the great defense that is being played as a team.
Also, Exum to the other 4 is not in the same galaxy as you to Kobe, Jordan, LeBron, and Duncan.

I think you are downplaying what Exum is doing out there because of how terrible his offense is at the moment.

 

[Sexual Favors]

don't give a fat rat's clacker about his wingspan or reach. Anyone that made it look like Trey blew past them for an easy layup is a giftedly atrocious defender.
Can't see him putting much weight on either, he looks like that already strong wiry type who won't get much bigger. Dante looks skinny and floppy and weak but will probably put on some good thickness with time.

Most rookies are either poor defenders or poor offensive players, and if they're not, they go #1 or #2. You pick your poison, and seeing as we were the worst defense last year, but are now the best since the break, I think we are qaulified to teach defense to the able-bodied who have a desire to get better. Lavine has the desire to be great.

 

[Sexual Favors]

The Jazz have won 60% of their games since Exum became the starter on Jan 22. Gobert did not begin as starter until Feb 20th.
The Jazz had wone 33% of their games before Exum became the starter.

Go ahead and run whatever stats you want to prove your point.

The bottom line is Exum is a part of the good things going on with this team, and with the great defense that is being played as a team.
Also, Exum to the other 4 is not in the same galaxy as you to Kobe, Jordan, LeBron, and Duncan.

I think you are downplaying what Exum is doing out there because of how terrible his offense is at the moment.

These are very good points.

So it's settled, we need both Exum and Lavine. I'm willing to forfeit this year's pick, Trey, and whatever MIN wants from a bag of OKC assets or J. Evans/E. Millsap/ J. Cooley/ J. Ingles/ Johnson.

 

[stitches]

Nope. It does not mean that at all. RPM is designed to account for who you are playing with (to some extent). Exum has a negative RPM. He is hidden by playing virtually all of his minutes with Hayward and Favors. If I played in a rec league with Jordan, Kobe, LeBron, and Duncan, I'm sure we'd have a positive point differential too, but that doesn't mean I'm helping them win.

I was primarily responding to multiple posters who were critiquing Lavine's RPM. Which is really bad. But we can't use one statistic for one player to show he's good, and a different one to show that another player is bad. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.

That's actually not true. Exum has played about 61.5% of his minutes with Hayward and 52% of his minutes with Favors and only 40% of his minutes with both Favors and Hayward. Exum is better than anybody from the regular rotation in both +/- and on/off. That means, even without Hayward and Favors he's still posting positive numbers when it comes to +/- and on/off... I would say those numbers show at the very least that he's not a negative for the team right now.

 

[VINYLONE]

This silly Exum is "scared" and "mentally weak" thing is getting old. I assume the same people calling Exum that are the same ones who said Favors is not competitive, soft and no motor.

Exum wants to do more and will. He is very competitive by all accounts from everyone around him. He is not afraid of contact, watch him play defense. He is simply trying to win games and play within the system and do the things the coaching staff asks him to do really well.

If you think Exum is soft mentally then you think he is a bust, so just say it. Dont walk your line of not being willing to call Exum a bust because you might get proved wrong.

0 chance Exum is a bust. 0 chance he isnt an above average starter in this league assuming he has no major injuries.



Mentally weak players dont play great defense. Name one good defender in the NBA that is afraid of contact, name one good defender that is scared. Dante does what he is good at right now and plays within the system. That is a sign of a mentally strong player. A mentally weak player would skip steps in development and try to do stuff he cant. He would pick up bad habits and not take the time to learn the game right. A mentally weak player would go for stats and not do the little things right. Mentally weak players like Kanter dont play defense.

Exum>Lavine

Exum is >>>>>>>>> mentally strong than Lavine.

Lavine>jumper than Exum, thats it.

Best case scenario for Lavine is he is a more selfish, more out of control, mentally weaker version of Russell Westbrook



I would however trade Exum for Wiggins and would throw in every pick we own that we can give them.

I agree. Calling Exum scared or mentallu weak is over-the-top, hyperbolic garbage but to claim that the reason the kid passes up open shots and layups because he's "simply trying to win games" is laughable at best. Exum is timid out there and anyone can see that objectively. I don't know what it is but I'm pretty sure it has something to do with his age and maybe a small doubt he has in regards to the level of play he is going up against.

He has flashes, he shows an ability but we have yet to see what he can truly bring to the table. The jury i still out.

 

[UGLI baby]

Kobe is that type of player.
I think Kobe was better than Nick young

Yep, Kobe, Westbrook, Dominique Wilkins, Iverson, etc. There is a ceiling on that type of player, but it isn't Nick Young.

LMAO.

You guys are seriously comparing Lavine to Kobe/Nique/Westbrook/Iverson???

He's waaaaaay closer to being a Nick Young type player than any of those players.

Y'alll been watching too much West Coast Conference basketball LOL.