Zimmerman/Martin Jury

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I can see demonstrations, I think the reality of the matter will prevent any large scale rioting. Anyone who's paying attention to the trial knows that the prosecution has not proved anything beyond reasonable doubt. If it was clear that this was 100% not self-defense I could see a stronger reaction, but I think it's obvious Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heat of a physical altercation, one in which Zimmerman was injured. That right there makes a guilty verdict pretty much impossible based on the state seeking 2nd degree murder.

True but you are expecting people to act with their heads. I don't, I think it will be all emotion and it will feed upon itself and lead to rioting.

 

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True but you are expecting people to act with their heads. I don't, I think it will be all emotion and it will feed upon itself and lead to rioting.

I think there's a decent chance the case gets thrown out as soon as the prosecution rests, which is supposed to be today, so we could find out soon.

 

[Revolution 9]

I can see demonstrations, I think the reality of the matter will prevent any large scale rioting. Anyone who's paying attention to the trial knows that the prosecution has not proved anything beyond reasonable doubt. If it was clear that this was 100% not self-defense I could see a stronger reaction, but I think it's obvious Zimmerman shot Trayvon in the heat of a physical altercation, one in which Zimmerman was injured. That right there makes a guilty verdict pretty much impossible based on the state seeking 2nd degree murder.

The most damning evidence, and it's not much overall, is the interrogation of Zimmerman. Where they finally grill him on his 911 call.

He says he left his car to get an address. The cops even call him out on it. They told him he was following Martin, and that Zimmerman left his vehicle after Martin ran. That's intent right there. He was going to go after this kid. Not ok in for any non police officer.
The call him out on his they always get away, and ****ing punks lines. Shows his intent, and prior disposition to get someone at all costs.
He also admits he knows it was a kid. He is an armed man, getting after his car to go after a child. He lied in his reenactment about
the dispatcher asking him to go find out where he was. There is some damning stuff there.

It's what happened after that that the prosecution hasn't proven anything (at least what I've seen).

In the end he probably will, and should be guilty manslaughter. Nothing more, nothing less.
It's proven that both acted beyond their rights, and both went too far.

 

[TroutBum]

You were pretty solid in this opinion before the trial, facts be damned, you're sticking to it.

It's a pretty common theme amongst stupid people.

This sounds stupid but even if he's totally innocent court should find him guilty of something and give him some prison time.

That's because it is stupid, you ****ing clod.

No.

It's because your response was quite honestly the dumbest assessment of the situation as I've ever read. Damn that Martin! Why didnt he just understand that Zimmermann was following him on a nice friendly jog and merely wanted to meet a new friend? A running buddy?

Anyone who has been on a "friendly jog" knows the difference between this and being stalked.

Again, lets stop making this a racial or political issue and just stick to the facts. Thanks gamers and happy independence!

Ah, the warm fuzzy feeling and giggling chortle that comes from reading a post by The Thriller where he says something someone else wrote is the dumbest thing he's ever read. I guess he's never previewed one of his own posts then?

This is ridiculous. You make the claim that Zimmerman is legally innocent(quite likely true, whether I like it or not), but you also make the claim that he is morally innocent. Then you come up with his gem. Are you actually suggesting that as long as everything Zimmerman did was legal, he cannot have done something immoral?

If I were to walk up to a random man at a restaurant who is having dinner with his wife and 16-year old daughter, I could legally stand next to him and tell him in graphic details what nasty, German-porn kind of things I would do to his very-much-of-legal-age daughter(given her consent, naturally). I could also legally keep my finger a few inches from his eye while laughing and chanting "Not touching you. Not touching you. Ha-ha-ha!" I could then legally follow him out of the restaurant while he and his family walk two blocks to their car. I could then legally get into my car(by a fortuitous coincidence, it is next to theirs) and follow the family to their house in some cul-de-sac. I could then legally park my car on the public street in front of their house with lights on and spend the entire night there.

All these things are legal, but do I not at some point acquire moral responsibility for any and every outcome of this ridiculous situation? Or is it all cool if I'm not breaking the law?

Blah, blah, blah, pacifism dude, carpet pissers, come rob my house; I won't stop you, blah, blah, blah. Seriously, just be quiet.

Good job recapping the majority opinion. Bold move.

Ute fan. <shrug>

So if Zimmerman walks, what is the over/under on A) How long he lives before somebody exacts their "revenge"? B) How long/big the riots will be?

A) Don't care.
B) I hope they are huge. Nothing warms the cockles of my heart like people ripping apart their own city/town, only to have to pay to fix it later.

 

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The defense got the OK to talk about the mary jane found in Martin's system.

 

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The defense got the OK to talk about the mary jane found in Martin's system.

Gotta admit, even though I brought it up at one point, I don't think it helps the defense much if at all. I don't know the age of the women on the jury but if at least half of them are under 60 then I don't think it'll mean a whole lot to them.

 

[Nate505]

The defense got the OK to talk about the mary jane found in Martin's system.

It's such a minimal amount I'm stunned they would bring it up, unless there are some reefer madness idiots on the jury.

The report is they found 1.5 nanograms of THC in his system. To fail a UA for weed, the standard that most drug testing companies use is 40-50 nanograms. And THC is notorious for staying in the fatty cells of a body...many people fail drug tests even after abstaining for a week or two.

This would be like saying someone is drinking after taking a quarter of a teaspoon of some low alcohol crap beer like Budweiser. Sure, I guess they are technically drinking, but to suggest they are intoxicated any way is just idiotic. Though I guess the defense found someone in the state of Florida dumb enough to believe it, though it is Florida.

 

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It's such a minimal amount I'm stunned they would bring it up, unless there are some reefer madness idiots on the jury.

The report is they found 1.5 nanograms of THC in his system. To fail a UA for weed, the standard that most drug testing companies use is 40-50 nanograms. And THC is notorious for staying in the fatty cells of a body...many people fail drug tests even after abstaining for a week or two.

This would be like saying someone is drinking after taking a quarter of a teaspoon of some low alcohol crap beer like Budweiser. Sure, I guess they are technically drinking, but to suggest they are intoxicated any way is just idiotic. Though I guess the defense found someone in the state of Florida dumb enough to believe it, though it is Florida.

Well Martin has been portrayed as a saint my large sections of the media. This is a good way to show that he is not. They are attempting to damage his character.

 

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Raise your voice, not your hands...

https://www.cnn.com/2013/07/10/justice/florida-zimmerman-backlash/index.html?hpt=hp_t2

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RRUfzs6I4jk

 

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Not sure if it was brought up in here but a forensic expert testified for the defense. He said that when the shot was fired Martin's shirt and hoodie were a couple inches off his skin. That indicated that Martin was leaning over ZImmerman when he was shot. That would place Zimmerman on his back and Martin over him.

To me that is the most damning thing to the prosecution that I have heard.

Edit: To me, right or wrong, I do not see how Zimmerman gets convicted. To much doubt about what really happened. Reasonable doubt.

 

[candrew]

Not sure if it was brought up in here but a forensic expert testified for the defense. He said that when the shot was fired Martin's shirt and hoodie were a couple inches off his skin. That indicated that Martin was leaning over ZImmerman when he was shot. That would place Zimmerman on his back and Martin over him.

That's one way to look at it. It could also mean Zimmerman had a handful of shirt/jacket in one hand when he shot him with the other.

 

[Stoked]

That's one way to look at it. It could also mean Zimmerman had a handful of shirt/jacket in one hand when he shot him with the other.

That would change the trajectory of the bullet. I did not read what the forensic guy said on that. Interesting.