MIL Bucks @ YOUR Utah Jazz.. tonight at 7pm mtn on ROOT

[Stifle Tower]

Quin is starting to have a quick hook with a number of players. Even Ingles wasn't exempt. I like that.
But Hayward...he's just been terrible. I think he's just trying to do too much. Now that we don't have Kanter, Jazz only have two threats on offense: Hayward and Favors. Teams know that and are shutting those two down. Only way around it is to improve our backcourt. Burks coming back will certainly help. But we need to replace Exum. He isn't ready. He can use practice to run around the perimeter doing nothing except passing off. We need a MAN running the point.

 

[Thee Idiotic Minivan K]

Is Millsap a better defender then both Carroll and Matthews? I just love the way he plays and noticed the teams defense has gotten better with every extra minute Millsap gets

 

[zman1527]

Quin is starting to have a quick hook with a number of players. Even Ingles wasn't exempt. I like that.
But Hayward...he's just been terrible. I think he's just trying to do too much. Now that we don't have Kanter, Jazz only have two threats on offense: Hayward and Favors. Teams know that and are shutting those two down. Only way around it is to improve our backcourt. Burks coming back will certainly help. But we need to replace Exum. He isn't ready. He can use practice to run around the perimeter doing nothing except passing off. We need a MAN running the point.

I hear what you are saying, we DO need help on O. Another shooter or two would be a vast improvement. Burke is filling that role right now, but how often will he go 5 for 6 from 2 feet beyond the arc? One bit for Dante, we are winning with D right now and he is a big help there. He is abysmal on O though. What to do? Send him to D league?

 

[Stifle Tower]

I hear what you are saying, we DO need help on O. Another shooter or two would be a vast improvement. Burke is filling that role right now, but how often will he go 5 for 6 from 2 feet beyond the arc? One bit for Dante, we are winning with D right now and he is a big help there. He is abysmal on O though. What to do? Send him to D league?

Nope. If he doesn't improve enough next season, make him the 3rd PG. Or, perhaps Burke is the carrot we trade for a better starting PG. In that case, Exum is #2, but you make him compete with another PG for those backup minutes. He's had everything handed to him this season based on where he was drafted. He certainly hasn't EARNED his minutes.

 

[cowhide]

Quin is starting to have a quick hook with a number of players. Even Ingles wasn't exempt. I like that.
But Hayward...he's just been terrible. I think he's just trying to do too much. Now that we don't have Kanter, Jazz only have two threats on offense: Hayward and Favors. Teams know that and are shutting those two down. Only way around it is to improve our backcourt. Burks coming back will certainly help. But we need to replace Exum. He isn't ready. He can use practice to run around the perimeter doing nothing except passing off. We need a MAN running the point.

Burke has shown lately he is an offensive threat. I agree that Exum isn't ready yet. He is going to take a few years but what worries me is that he is too nice of a kid. He needs to have more alpha dog in him.

 

[Coach Ellis]

Nope. If he doesn't improve enough next season, make him the 3rd PG. Or, perhaps Burke is the carrot we trade for a better starting PG. In that case, Exum is #2, but you make him compete with another PG for those backup minutes. He's had everything handed to him this season based on where he was drafted. He certainly hasn't EARNED his minutes.

Love your posts, but I think you're dead wrong on this point. Dante is in the starting lineup because it helps the team and not his development. Burke starting was terrible and they've both clearly improved the team by switching roles. And while I think Dante is not ready for his role or his minutes, he hasn't been handed anything. For as bad as he's been offensively, he's been at least as good (if not better) defensively. He's working his *** off. And I think that the emphasis on defense will pay off down the road when he grows into an NBA body and is more comfortable on offense.

 

[cowhide]

Being there in person it was a pretty enjoyable game especially watching the defensive efforts.


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46 turnovers total, I can't imagine it being that fun to watch and I like defense but I wasn't there so I guess I would be excited too if I were at the game no matter how it played out.

 

[cowhide]

Is Millsap a better defender then both Carroll and Matthews? I just love the way he plays and noticed the teams defense has gotten better with every extra minute Millsap gets

I think the biggest difference is that both Carroll and Matthews are better offensively. However, I love Millsap defense ability and if he can improve his offense than the Jazz have found a diamond in the rough.

 

[green]

Lol @ people comaining about Exum. I'd love to have heard you guys talk about Gobert if he'd been allowed to play 25+ mins a night as a rookie:

"Oh, he can't catch the ball. He makes Ostertag look good. 5 fouls in 15 mins? This guy will never be good. Send him to the D League. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Lol

 

[Stifle Tower]

Lol @ people comaining about Exum. I'd love to have heard you guys talk about Gobert if he'd been allowed to play 25+ mins a night as a rookie:

"Oh, he can't catch the ball. He makes Ostertag look good. 5 fouls in 15 mins? This guy will never be good. Send him to the D League. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Lol

Rudy looked lost at imes, but he was out there giving a ton of effort and showing a passion for the game. Exum has not shown ANY passion. He's probably the softest player in the NBA right now. If he were putting up 3 points per game, but trying to get to the rim, trying to make something happen, it would be different. Even Lindsey said he's a "placeholder" when he's in the game.

If Utah had 3 PG's, there's no way Dante should be getting minutes. But when the other PG is completely freezing the Jazz' best player out of the game and chucking up 15 shots, yes, you have to make a change. Exum has NOT earned minutes. But who else would the Jazz have played? I think they purposely shortchanged themselves at the position so Exum wouldn't feel threatened. And I think that was a mistake. Let him feel the heat. Let him lose minutes to a hungrier player. How else do you wake up a player who sleep walks his way through the offense?

 

[Jazz4ever]

Lol @ people comaining about Exum. I'd love to have heard you guys talk about Gobert if he'd been allowed to play 25+ mins a night as a rookie:

"Oh, he can't catch the ball. He makes Ostertag look good. 5 fouls in 15 mins? This guy will never be good. Send him to the D League. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Lol

There is absolutely no correlation between the two. Gobert was still an elite rebounder and shot blocker as a rookie. If you think Exum's game hints at being elite at something, present your facts instead of "lol-ing"

 

[zman1527]

Lol @ people comaining about Exum. I'd love to have heard you guys talk about Gobert if he'd been allowed to play 25+ mins a night as a rookie:

"Oh, he can't catch the ball. He makes Ostertag look good. 5 fouls in 15 mins? This guy will never be good. Send him to the D League. Blah, blah, blah, blah, blah."

Lol

I thought that Rudy was ready last year. He never had trouble catching the ball. It got slapped out his hands a lot is true.

I like Dante, support him and his selection, but come on, are you in any way shape or form happy with his O and his aggression? Never seen an NBA player with his timidity.

 

[da ThRONe]

I LOL at the Burke hate some times. Dude was the best college player just two years ago. Why are people questioning his ability to consistently play at a high level. He's a 2nd year player running a completely new system and is embracing a new role. Plus this new role doesn't complement his greatest strength and neither does his teammates.

If there is a PG on the Jazz roster likely to make a Kobe-like boost from one season to the next it's far more likely to be Burke than Exum. Trey has a number of great games in his young career that shows the dominant PG he can be. He just has to eliminate the terrible games. This is what people mean when they talk about a young player showing "flashes". Burke has shown those flashes this year and last. Exum has shown no such flashes.

 

[Revolution 9]

Exums rookie wall doesnt scare me, but his playing with fear does. We've seen Trey turn the corner, but hes always had courage/drive.

It seems like passion/motor/intensity are things you either have or you dont. Which is one big reason Trey is succeeding. Hes worked on his game, and its catching up to how confident/fearless he plays.

Can Exum learn to be more aggressive?

 

[slc]

Exums rookie wall doesnt scare me, but his playing with fear does. We've seen Trey turn the corner, but hes always had courage/drive.

It seems like passion/motor/intensity are things you either have or you dont. Which is one big reason Trey is succeeding. Hes worked on his game, and its catching up to how confident/fearless he plays.

Can Exum learn to be more aggressive?

I agree that Exum does seem to play scared.
But I would rather see him survive his first season uninjured.
Too many high draft choices have ended their first season with a serious injury.
There is no urgency for Exum to break out immediately.
A players second season is most important.
Exum will have the benefit of a full off season of NBA training to prepare for next year.
He seems to be getting enough playing time this season to develop properly.
Let him make it through this season uninjured and see what he does next year.

 

[bezerkus]

I'm REALLY excited about Trey's playing and potential. He needs to find open players a bit more, like he did tonight. I love when players buck the trend of having to have a giant wingspan to play awesome defense and get to the basket. He was a great pick and I hope we don't trade him away.

 

[phippsj]

I thought it was a competitive game, but didn't really seem like a playoff type atmosphere. Way too sloppy to be that imo.

The physicality was, in my opinion. The lack of an offense that can handle a physical defense shows why neither of these teams are threats this year.

 

[Stoked]

The physicality was, in my opinion. The lack of an offense that can handle a physical defense shows why neither of these teams are threats this year.

Their records show that lol. Only the Bucks will make the playoffs. And in the weak east they are 6th. They make second round at best.

 

[Flc]

I LOL at the Burke hate some times. Dude was the best college player just two years ago. Why are people questioning his ability to consistently play at a high level. He's a 2nd year player running a completely new system and is embracing a new role. Plus this new role doesn't complement his greatest strength and neither does his teammates.

If there is a PG on the Jazz roster likely to make a Kobe-like boost from one season to the next it's far more likely to be Burke than Exum. Trey has a number of great games in his young career that shows the dominant PG he can be. He just has to eliminate the terrible games. This is what people mean when they talk about a young player showing "flashes". Burke has shown those flashes this year and last. Exum has shown no such flashes.

I really like Burke as well, but keep in mind that he came into the league two years older than Exum and having played at a much, much higher level of competition with Michigan's March Madness run than Exum had playing against Australian teenagers and a couple minutes here and there in the World Cup.

Trey didn't get better during his rookie year either - he got a bit better from when he started til the All Star Break, hit the rookie wall hard, and then dropped off a lot in the stretch til the end of the season. And he wasn't really able to start figuring things out until halfway through this year after putting in a ton of work with Snyder.

TLDR: Let's stop the hate on Burke, because he's one tough and ambitious player. But let's stop the hate on Exum as well. Aggression comes with confidence and it's hard to be confident when you're exhausted, have no legs, and the game is way too fast with opposing players that are way too big.

I'm not worried about Exum - he's playing like **** now, but that was to be expected. There's a reason people said prior to the draft that he had one of the two highest ceilings but needed the most development.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I really like Burke as well, but keep in mind that he came into the league two years older than Exum and having played at a much, much higher level of competition with Michigan's March Madness run than Exum had playing against Australian teenagers and a couple minutes here and there in the World Cup.

Trey didn't get better during his rookie year either - he got a bit better from when he started til the All Star Break, hit the rookie wall hard, and then dropped off a lot in the stretch til the end of the season. And he wasn't really able to start figuring things out until halfway through this year after putting in a ton of work with Snyder.

TLDR: Let's stop the hate on Burke, because he's one tough and ambitious player. But let's stop the hate on Exum as well. Aggression comes with confidence and it's hard to be confident when you're exhausted, have no legs, and the game is way too fast with opposing players that are way too big.

I'm not worried about Exum - he's playing like **** now, but that was to be expected. There's a reason people said prior to the draft that he had one of the two highest ceilings but needed the most development.

Exum is next level timid though. It's truly historical his lack of FT attempts despite minutes played.