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Utah's Gun Appreciation Day

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Utah featured prominently in a NYT op-ed today. I've posted the portions below that relate to the Utah Bill.

https://www.nytimes.com/2011/01/27/opinion/27collins.html?_r=1&hp

Meanwhile, in Salt Lake City, the State Legislature is considering a bill to honor the Browning M1911 pistol by making it the official state firearm.

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Yes, a committee in the Utah House of Representatives voted 9 to 2 this week to approve a bill that would add the Browning pistol to the pantheon of official state things, along with the bird (seagull), rock (coal) and dance (square). Also, although it really has nothing to do with this discussion, I have to mention that the Utah Legislature has provided its citizens with an official state cooking pot, and it is the Dutch oven.

“This firearm is Utah,” Representative Carl Wimmer, the Browning bill’s sponsor, told The Salt Lake Tribune. He is an energetic-looking guy with a huge forehead who has only been in office four years yet has, according to one of his videos, “sponsored and passed some of the most significant pieces of legislation in Utah history.”

Capitol observers say the Browning bill has an excellent chance of becoming law.


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On Monday, the Utah State Capitol celebrated Browning Day, honoring John Moses Browning, native son and maker of the nominee for Official State Firearm. There were speeches, a proclamation, a flyover by a National Guard helicopter, and, of course, a rotunda full of guns. “We recognize his efforts to preserve the Constitution,” Gov. Gary Herbert said, in keeping with what appears to be a new Republican regulation requiring all party members to mention the Constitution at least once in every three sentences.

It is generally not a good policy to dwell on the strange behavior of state legislators since it leads to bottomless despair. If I wanted to go down that road, I’d give you Mark Madsen, a Utah state senator who tried to improve upon the Browning Day celebrations by suggesting they be scheduled to coincide with Martin Luther King Day since “both made tremendous contributions to individual freedom and individual liberty.”

But it’s a symptom of a new streak of craziness abroad in the land, which has politicians scrambling to prove not just that they are against gun regulation, but also that they are proactively in favor of introducing guns into every conceivable part of American life. National parks. Schools. Bars. Airports.

“There is abundant research suggesting in cities where more people own guns, the crime rate, especially the murder rate, goes down,” Utah’s new United States senator, Mike Lee, told CNN.

Actually, there’s a ton of debate about this, which is hard to resolve given the fact that, as Michael Luo reported in The Times, the N.R.A.’s crack lobbyists have managed to stop almost all federal financing for scientific research on gun-related questions. But Lee has definitely made the list of most creative commentators on these matters, ever since he dismissed calls for a calmer political rhetoric after the Tucson massacre by arguing that “the shooter wins if we, who’ve been elected, change what we do just because of what he did.”

Feel free to say whatever you like about the senator’s thinking. Be frank. Otherwise, the shooter wins.

Seems like odd timing to me. Is Browning really a huge deal in Deseret? I don't remember this being a thing when I was a kid.
 
I thought this thread was going to be about this. Glad to see the Utah legislators getting the important issues out of the way...

https://www.deseretnews.com/article/700104645/Utah-goes-ga-ga-for-guns.html
The Utah House passed a bill by a 51-19 vote Wednesday designating the Browning pistol as the official state gun.

Around the country, this story has been stirring up a lot of attention during the last 24 hours.On Monday, the Utah State Capitol celebrated Browning Day, honoring John Moses Browning, native son and maker of the nominee for Official State Firearm. There were speeches, a proclamation, a flyover by a National Guard helicopter, and, of course, a rotunda full of guns. "We recognize his efforts to preserve the Constitution," Gov. Gary Herbert said, in keeping with what appears to be a new Republican regulation requiring all party members to mention the Constitution at least once in every three sentences.

Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman, sponsored the Official State Firearm legislation, HB219. This is the same Carl Wimmer, by the way, who believes that Utahns should be allowed to carry concealed weapons without a permit
 
The slant in that op-ed is incredibly stupid, almost as much as this bill, but then again, stupid is as politics does.
 
Seems like odd timing to me. Is Browning really a huge deal in Deseret? I don't remember this being a thing when I was a kid.

Are you kidding me? Kicky step out of your liberal bay area and get in touch with what REALLY gets Utahns excited!

Browning makes Alfred Cumming look like a nobody! I mean, what Utahn doesn't know about Alfred Cumming?
 
Why the hell are we coming up with a state gun?

What next, state knife? Ax? Bullet? Crap?

Doesn't our state have more important things to solve? You know, maybe like working on the budget, cleaning up the ethics, building a damn parking garage at UVU, or repairing the "repaired" potholes I mean roads that UDOT ****ed up in Utah County?

This thread was made about the feral animals bill. How does your post relate to that?
 
Why the hell are we coming up with a state gun?

What next, state knife? Ax? Bullet? Crap?

If the inventors of the knife, ax, bullets or crap are native sons, then sure, why not? This is more about honoring Browning as a Utah native and recognizing his contribution than it is about having a state gun.

That being said, when do we choose our state TV?
 
I'm guessing it is mostly not understood or appreciated that the Browning 1911 is the father of all modern semi-auto pistols, as well as the basic concept behind most fully automatic firearms. There were alternative semi-auto pistol designs, such as the German Luger, however Browning's design has become the universal standard. It is a masterpiece of engineering. Pistols based exactly on his original are still produced today. In fact, the 1911 is the most produced pistol in the world. It was the U.S. military side arm until 1985. On this, the firearms 100th anniversary, I think its fitting to honor it in some way, especially here in Utah where Browning is from.

And yes, as a gun enthusiast I have been very aware that the designer of what almost all modern firearms are based on is from Utah.

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I'm guessing it is mostly not understood or appreciated that the Browning 1911 is the father of all modern semi-auto pistols, as well as the basic concept behind most fully automatic firearms. There were alternative semi-auto pistol designs, such as the German Luger, however Browning's design has become the universal standard. It is a masterpiece of engineering. Pistols based exactly on his original are still produced today. In fact, the 1911 is the most produced pistol in the world. It was the U.S. military side arm until 1985. On this, the firearms 100th anniversary, I think its fitting to honor it in some way, especially here in Utah where Browning is from.

And yes, as a gun enthusiast I have been very aware that the designer of what almost all modern firearms are based on is from Utah.

1911_action1_thumb.jpg

Thanks, Good info.
 
This is old news. I posted about it in another thread a month ago. (Link)

State bird, state flower ... now a state firearm?

BY LEE DAVIDSON
The Salt Lake Tribune

Published Dec 7, 2010 03:01PM
Updated Dec 7, 2010 05:49PM
Virtually all states have a state bird, a state flower and a state motto. But Utah soon could be among the first to have an official state firearm — the Browning model 1911 .45-caliber handgun, designed by Utah gunmaker John Moses Browning.

Rep. Carl Wimmer, R-Herriman — a former police officer, a life member of the National Rifle Association and an instructor for concealed weapons classes — wants to take a shot at creating that designation when the Legislature convenes next month. At least one anti-gun-violence group bemoans the move but sees no real harm.

“It would be very appropriate going into 2011 because it is the 100-year anniversary of the Browning model 1911,” Wimmer said. “It has a rich history. It was in every war from World War I to World War II, Korea, Vietnam and all the recent wars. It is still used by some military units and many police agencies.”

Wimmer said he believes some other states also have state firearms but could not name any specifically. Comprehensive websites about state symbols do not list any.

And when a Pennsylvania lawmaker proposed designating a state firearm there this year (to honor the Pennsylvania long rifle), news stories said that would create the first official state firearm in the country. That effort appears to have failed while creating some controversy with anti-violence groups, so Utah now could be the first.

“As to how the outside world views Utah, it again shows how Utah worships guns at all turns of the road,” said Gary Sackett, spokesman for the Utah Center for the Prevention of Gun Violence.

“But it is probably true that this particular firearm has an historical place, so I don’t think the bill goes to the core of what concerns us about firearm safety,” he said. “It is troubling that it places firearms on such a pedestal, but otherwise it is probably harmless.”

Wimmer says he owns a version of the gun himself, “and Browning was far ahead of his time with this model. Its style, functionality and endurability made it the most efficient and effective handgun for the last 100 years.”

It is a single-action, semiautomatic, magazine-fed and recoil-operated handgun. It became the standard-issue side arm for U.S. armed forces from 1911 to 1985 and is still carried by some U.S. forces. It had few changes since it was originally issued.

“Browning played a role in developing almost every military small arms weapons that we have,” Wimmer said, from various machine guns to automatic rifles and semiautomatic shotguns.

So Wimmer said it would be nice to honor Browning and his 1911 model handgun “and honor how it helped to protect our nation.”

Browning was born in Ogden in 1855 and died in 1926. He is credited with 128 gun patents and made his first firearm at age 13 in his father’s gun shop.

“This is not something that we are going to spend a lot of time doing, and it won’t take time away from more pressing issues,” Wimmer said of his proposal. “I think it is something that we can get done very, very quickly early in the session. I don’t think it will be controversial.”

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It's extremely stupid, and a waste of time. I can't believe the stupid laws our wonderful Utah lawmakers come up with. There's another proposed law that is causing controversy, but is not related to guns. This is going to be an embarrassing legislative session for the state of Utah. I'm getting involved to try to stop some of these insane laws from posting, but I really don't know how much good it will do.
 
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