Aussies Blow The Lid Off Boston Firecracker Fraud

[babe]

I'd be interested in the pics of supposed Navy SEALS. A real SEAL looks different than a Hollywood SEAL and I could pick one out pretty quick.

sorry, Game.

I have to go easy on the mere babes in the woods who struggle to get a grasp of all the aspects of "conspiracy" political operations.

Let's suppose you were planning your own mass media psy-op event. . . . for whatever reason. . . . well, let's say you believe in twinkies, ya know, those cream-filled pastries that don't spoil or rot inside of three years under your truck seat. . . . and you want to raise public awareness and create an outcry for twinkies to be regulated in a positive way in the public diet, like say a law or constitutional amendment creating a personal right to have all the twinkies you care to eat, at public expense. . . .

stay with me here, you know, it's my point to make this as crazy as I can imagine. . . .

you need some operatives who will create as secure a space around your twinkie event as possible. . . . that will create an absolute unquestioning sense about there being no need to ask questions or evaluate news footage covering the event. . . . .

who are you gonna put on the "security" detail, I mean, how are you gonna have your guys dress to look authoritative and reassuring to passersby? Not that you're gonna be able to really get Navy SEALS to do the job.

just get them the hat and shirt, and have them obviously taking care of business. . . .

For sure you wouldn't imitate CIA agents, FBI agents, or ATF agents. . . . .that would go all wrong and even the media news reporters would be raising questions and going over their camera footage with a fine toothed comb looking for all the stuff that would suggest it's a gov'mint-run fraud on the unsuspecting public. . . .

That's why a score or so Navy SEALs on the scene does not eliminate the possibility this is a staged event run by the Russians, Israeli's, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans, or Brazilians.

 

[Beer]

That's why a score or so Navy SEALs on the scene does not eliminate the possibility this is a staged event run by the Russians, Israeli's, Chinese, Iranians, North Koreans, or Brazilians.

Do not rule out the gypsies.

 

[babe]

Do not rule out the gypsies.

Rep for this.

When we lose our humor nothing else really matters. . . . .

 

[babe]

I have decided to bump this thread to enable some further analysis of the Aussie's theory/John B. Wells' program, and line up the facts I've come up with.

Clearly we have a population in JF community of a very few mostly silent CT folks, and a very large number of folks who do enjoy sports, parties, and associated pastimes. The unsilent majority I'll call ILN, or maybe UM. . . . . Unsilent Majority. . . . or the socially significant partytimers, the SP for short, the "In-Crowd" if you please. Me and PWatson. . . . where'd she go???. . . . could be considered the complete set of the concerned chickenlittles, if you please, the CC.

OK so now we've chosen our teams, let's play the game. It has to be a game, or I know you won't play.

Now, first of all, I always find the conspiracy theories and conspiracy theorists who are out there squawking about stuff to be insufficient intellectually, so I have to distance myself from the merely stupid. To offer an initial tidbit to vet my claims, here's one item. . . .

The link in the OP has one factual error in the Aussies' claim that there was only one ambulance on the scene. In reviewing the available footage of the bombing, I have spotted at least three, plus a fire engine. And it's clear to me that the initial hype about the supposed SEAL presence has got to be dropped at least to the level of some lookalike Blackwater personnel and maybe even to some legitimate security professionals on the scene as hired help for the event. At any rate, there were some "Standaround Authority Figures" on the scene when the blast occurred.

Also, there is more information available now in the actual trial proceedings of the surviving alleged perpetrator, but it seems that the "defense" is not pursuing any defense except trying to shift the responsibility to the deceased perp and make out the dude as something of an innocent following his brother down the street, helping to carry some stuff. In any decent conspiracy, with authoritative support, this would in fact be the expected line of "defense", to exclude any actual discussion of the blast or the effects or the victims. This is being buried deeper than King Tut's tomb.

 

[babe]

Short List of Marginally-plausible Conspiracies, theoretically speaking:

Since the term "conspiracy theorist" is usually an effective marginalization of anyone, it is not hard to see why there is literally no intellectual development of the term, and hence actually no meaning to it, either. We hate to be marginalized, and as soon as our opinions are thus routed we are no longer relevant to polite, acceptable society.

However, a number of conspiracy theories are perfectly acceptable in the mainstream narrative of America. You know, stuff like how the cops are secretly selecting blacks for target practice on the streets, and how the top 1% have a virtual dictatorship over us, especially the minorities, the disabled, the homeless, the poor, the young unmarried moms, the students, etc etc etc that is undeniably sufficient reason for increasing taxes on the wealthy and redistributing the wealth. . . . We all have vague, ill-defined suspicions needling our malcontents. . . . .

Would it be a "conspiracy" if employers generally don't hire unqualified applicants for jobs? What are the chances thousands of HR managers will make the same decision if they are not "in on" some plot?

Well, anyway, I've tried to make a short list of "conspiracies" that could effectively address the event of the Boston Marathon bombing. I confess my analysis is tainted by my reading of communist revolutionary tactics, such as those deployed by Trotsky, and of what I'd term "Authoritarian Statists" designing to influence some public, either their own or someone else's, following Machiavellian methods. Trotsky could properly be understood as a disciple of Machiavelli, with some serious extensions in principle, and even Trotsky is old news. Today, the general schema have been much more highly developed by systematic applications of science and technology. We have had a lot of psychologists/ social science professionals weighing in on the problem of how to manage the human herd, either on a global or local scale. In addition, we have much more effective verbal, visual, and social tools like TV and public education today than even just a hundred years ago.

I find it necessary, when approaching the problem of finding reasonable explanations for starkly irrational or unbelievable events, or media coverage of events, to consider two aspects of the problem. The first is the conceptual organization of a suspected behind-the-scenes staging event, and the second is the method of controlling the downstream possibilities. I will not here address any supposed purpose or application. That list will follow.

 

[babe]

1. The Statist Agenda Method

This would be something actually coordinated through government agencies, employees, or politicians in the interest of State objective to achieve effective political control of some aspect of national or international opinion, management, or commerce. My excellent DVD copy of "Eagle In a Cage" would be that sort. An actual minister of a government seeking to achieve a plan to release a charismatic and effective leader back into operation into an array of prospective enemies to the ministers' nation, to prevent said enemies from being able to turn their destructive energies upon the ministers' nation. We have our CIA, some other nations have their equivalent. Of course secrecy is essential, and the range of plans is infinite. . . . . Such conspiracies are everyday life.

 

[babe]

2. The Change-Agent Method

This would be an organization existing outside the stream of actual government power, utilizing other social and economic resources. Necessarily, because of these limits, such an operation will require a different organization. . .. dedicated believers in a cause. . . . private funding. . . . lack of access to control of police, first-responders. . . . . though mass media might be manipulated by some special appeal to the public interest. . . .

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This sort of "conspiracy" can sometimes pass as a public movement, but it still relies on central planning by a few "in the know" folks. And that is what can qualify it as a "conspiracy".

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The range of methods and plans can still be pretty large, and can still include some "event" of violence. Historically, the Boston Tea Party would be an example. . . . .

 

[babe]

3. The Revolutionary/Terrorist Method

This class of actors on the public stage present a known and visible challenge to a State by demonstrating power in the streets. Power with public support arrayed against a government. These sorts are known to blow up infrastructure or strike out at public events sponsored by the State. The alleged perpetrators of the Boston Marathon bombing were described by authorities as being of this class.

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I personally don't believe this explanation because of the admissions by the state security agencies of prior knowledge of the two individuals and the failure to intervene. What do we have the HSA and forty or so security agencies going through our email and internet postings for? When known risks are permitted to go forward with some such plan, the question naturally arises as to why. We are supposed to believe it is because of overworked or incompetent staff who just didn't do their jobs. . . . Well, maybe. . . . but if that's the reason I'd expect to see some shakeups in the failing organizations, which hasn't happened, or which at least has not even been claimed. . . .

 

[babe]

Down-Stream Control Methods

Only a State, with cooperative personnel in authoritative agencies like police, intelligence, law-enforcement, and media, can hope to control what people will think after the fact of an event.

The revolutionaries/ideological proponents/terrorists with their causes are liable to be caught, tortured, and lied about to the advantage of those who are determined to thwart the effort. And it is the State who hires the personnel who can do it, and who can often control the information available to the public.

The change-agent operatives have a better chance because they have already lined up societal support networks, maybe some articulate proponents for their ideals, and their method is not to maximize destruction to lives or property but to beliefs.

An observer of the down-stream events can deduce which of these three classes may have been responsible for an event by noting the "legs" divergent or conflicting accounts achieve with authorities. If there is only one "plausible" story line, I'd say that indicates "State" mediated events. If police are seriously investigating several different lines of possibilities, it could be a "Change-Agent" event. If the revolutionaries/ ideological extremists/ terrorists get a message out claiming responsibility, I'd take it as either the obvious case, or maybe some wacked opportunistic claim.

 

[babe]

The State-Controlled Down-stream:

So here's what you will see in the aftermath of a State-controlled event:

1. Effective "on-the-scene" exclusion of on-the-street persons from the immediate site.

Nobody just wandering around looking at everything. . . . Those who are not known or controlled participants are quickly excluded by police lines, and there must be some method to diminish observation. . . . smoke generators for example. . . .

2. Effective control of media reporting. . . . selected "spokesmen" addressing the press, maybe a few "witnesses", but certainly not forty different people telling thirty different eyewitness accounts.

3. Authoritative "news conferences" with a unified array of police officials, emergency responder officials, relevant politicians like mayors, and such, where they all stand in a line and solidly support some sort of formal reading of the news release. . . . . and then dodge unwanted questions. . . . . by walking out while saying the news conference is done. . . . .

4. Limited contact with victims and others who were on the scene with investigative reporters. A few showcase cameo bits, sure, but no reporters allowed to spend hours upon hours with any significant person involved in the event. . . . . This is not going to be a fact-finding free-for-all. . . . . .

5. Routine dismissal of variant story lines as "conspiracy theorists" by authorities, and media news-readers and talking heads.


None of these characteristics will be seen in anything but a State-Mediated Event.

 

[babe]

So here's a resource from a hundred years ago, on how to do a psy-op political campaign, courtesy of the communist revolutionary Leon V. Trotsky:

uuhhhmmm. . . . . couldn't find a link. The thing I'm thinking of exists in a storage vault containing my college papers, a translation from Russian of a little handbook published in Russian about the year 1902. I might have to reconsider if was Trotsky's or someone else. . . .


It did have an advanced sort of plan for setting up communist "cells" in a target country to exploit some problem and gain political leverage, after the manner of Machiavelli, but turned to the advantage of a communist vision of a coming utopia. It was full of advice to the effect that the goal justifies every means, including violence.

Trotsky helped plan the murder of the Romanov royal family arguing it was necessary to exclude the possibility of any continuing focus of nationalism being exploited by the White Russians, though the communists lied about it for years.

Ghandhi was also a communist revolutionary, but he rejected violence and preached non-violence, believing humans could rise above mere beasts, and follow better principles. Ghandi rejected the Western philosophical basis of Marxism/Communism which called for violence in revolution. Ghandhi was also religious, and had some background in both Moslem and Hindu being preached interchangeably by the same teachers, invoking a generalized "God"concept. He considered Jesus a revolutionary whose teachings reflected a more Asian influence and practical application,and whose teachings buttressed his non-violence strategy. Ghandhi like many early "communists" or "socialists" with ideals of communal living, like the Irish trades guilds, rejected technological advances in favor of a sort of agrarian simple life. Marx, however, taught his followers to accept and embrace technology as progress which would lift the workers up and make the new world more prosperous.

 

[babe]

The reason Ghandhi achieved media superstardom in the West is because of his connections to Progressives/communists/socialists in Great Britain, and his simple demonstration of the power of a moral man who used recognizable Christian virtues. . . .

 

[babe]

The reason Ghandhi achieved media superstardom in the West is because of his connections to Progressives/communists/socialists in Great Britain, and his simple demonstration of the power of a moral man who used recognizable Christian virtues. . . .

This is a point I'd like to make about the universal nature of "conspiracy" in human politics and commerce. Humans always act with purpose. Most of the time, it is wise to simply not inform the "competition" of your goals, or your plan for achieving your goals. Anyone with the sensibility to evaluate why others do what they do is a "conspiracy theorist" of sorts.

 

[babe]

Boston Marathon Event Analysis

After looking over all that's available on the Boston Marathon "firecracker" event, here is my most reasonable explanation:

It was an event staged by a black-budget unit of one of our government agencies. There are not even as many as ten persons who know two of the maybe twenty precise necessary details to draw the conclusions of how it was organized , or why. President Obama knows nothing about it. No head of any federal agency knows anything about it. The bankers know nothing about it, either Boston Bankers or International Bankers. It was not discussed by the Bildergbergers or any set of United Nations bigwigs.

There are just too many obvious factual impossibilities clearly evident in the media coverage for it to have been a "real" bomb. But there were three real fatalities, which makes it a murder case and an accomplice to murder case for any "actor" who will ever be stupid enough to speak up. The two dupes who carried the bombs to the assigned trash cans were carrying bombs designed and built by personnel of a federal agency, who received their assignment because they are compromised by some involvement in other prosecutable death-penalty "events".

The "actors" were paid pretty good, but were told it was just a mock-up exercise for security, but that it had to look real on camera because it would be done in front of news cameras. Most of them walked away just thinking the news coverage was going to be a lot of whoohooo about nothing, really, because it was necessary to train first responders and other security personnel under conditions that are as "real" as they can possibly be made to appear.

There were at least five, maybe ten, actors who were selected because of compromising circumstances, like outstanding criminal charges which the police offered to reduce if they participated in this event.

Most of the emergency responders and security personnel understood it was a preparedness exercise, and that there would be some media coverage that they would know was not factual, but it was necessary to keep it secret for some good-sounding reasons.

Local police and other emergency responders, and the actual security personnel at the race, understood it as a planned training exercise designed to look realistic and provide realistic training to a federal agency special task force.

The three or fewer actual comprehensive planners of this event are committed militarists with some connection to persons like Zbigneiu Bryzenski and maybe the most visible dolt in the military-industrial-complex lineup, what's his name from Wyoming. . . . warhawks, prepping for their fantasy War of all Wars, WWIII, in the Mideast. Thinking another example of muslim extremist violence on the home front will move a few more politicians into the warhawk camp. Certainly, this was not a Democratic Party fundraiser, just another peal of the bell for the right wing American patriots to rise to arms.

The news coverage was provided au gratis by the equally stupid mainstream media who no longer have any personnel capable of critically evaluating news footage or thinking for themselves.

and Hell No, the world is not yet micromanaged by idiots who are incapable of being mutually suspicious of one another, and Hell No there are not tens of thousands, let alone millions, of evil conspiring people filling every government office and every institution of society all "in on" some great plan to rule the world.

 

[babe]

After looking over all that's available on the Boston Marathon "firecracker" event, here is my most reasonable explanation:

It was an event staged by a black-budget unit of one of our government agencies. There are not even as many as ten persons who know two of the maybe twenty precise necessary details to draw the conclusions of how it was organized , or why. President Obama knows nothing about it. No head of any federal agency knows anything about it. The bankers know nothing about it, either Boston Bankers or International Bankers. It was not discussed by the Bildergbergers or any set of United Nations bigwigs.

There are just too many obvious factual impossibilities clearly evident in the media coverage for it to have been a "real" bomb. But there were three real fatalities, which makes it a murder case and an accomplice to murder case for any "actor" who will ever be stupid enough to speak up. The two dupes who carried the bombs to the assigned trash cans were carrying bombs designed and built by personnel of a federal agency, who received their assignment because they are compromised by some involvement in other prosecutable death-penalty "events".

The "actors" were paid pretty good, but were told it was just a mock-up exercise for security, but that it had to look real on camera because it would be done in front of news cameras. Most of them walked away just thinking the news coverage was going to be a lot of whoohooo about nothing, really, because it was necessary to train first responders and other security personnel under conditions that are as "real" as they can possibly be made to appear.

There were at least five, maybe ten, actors who were selected because of compromising circumstances, like outstanding criminal charges which the police offered to reduce if they participated in this event.

Most of the emergency responders and security personnel understood it was a preparedness exercise, and that there would be some media coverage that they would know was not factual, but it was necessary to keep it secret for some good-sounding reasons.

Local police and other emergency responders, and the actual security personnel at the race, understood it as a planned training exercise designed to look realistic and provide realistic training to a federal agency special task force.

The three or fewer actual comprehensive planners of this event are committed militarists with some connection to persons like Zbigneiu Bryzenski and maybe the most visible dolt in the military-industrial-complex lineup, what's his name from Wyoming. . . . warhawks, prepping for their fantasy War of all Wars, WWIII, in the Mideast. Thinking another example of muslim extremist violence on the home front will move a few more politicians into the warhawk camp. Certainly, this was not a Democratic Party fundraiser, just another peal of the bell for the right wing American patriots to rise to arms.

The news coverage was provided au gratis by the equally stupid mainstream media who no longer have any personnel capable of critically evaluating news footage or thinking for themselves.

and Hell No, the world is not yet micromanaged by idiots who are incapable of being mutually suspicious of one another, and Hell No there are not tens of thousands, let alone millions, of evil conspiring people filling every government office and every institution of society all "in on" some great plan to rule the world.

The rules of the game:

watch the protracted inane ramblings of the OP link and get annoyed with the stupidity, but look at the actual pictures and the sequence of events for the various alleged "actors", and look for any observable error in the Aussie's presentation or interpretation of the pics. Help me make a list of their mistakes, or wrong takes.

As outlined above, I posit a line of factual credibility to the proposition that the "event" was a staged exercise with no "excess" of informed participants and maybe some compromised or merely loyal personnel in some of the roles and management positions, but with nobody on the scene who could question it all above the level of "I was just doing what I was told", under some plausible pretext duty.

So if you have read my theory and listened to the parts of the OP link that are relevant to the "firecracker" theory, you get to call me out on any specific problem you can think of about it all.

I'm listening, and thank you.

 

[TroutBum]

Well, this thread did the impossible, and actually took a turn for the worse.

 

[Gameface]

The rules of the game:

watch the protracted inane ramblings of the OP link and get annoyed with the stupidity, but look at the actual pictures and the sequence of events for the various alleged "actors", and look for any observable error in the Aussie's presentation or interpretation of the pics. Help me make a list of their mistakes, or wrong takes.

As outlined above, I posit a line of factual credibility to the proposition that the "event" was a staged exercise with no "excess" of informed participants and maybe some compromised or merely loyal personnel in some of the roles and management positions, but with nobody on the scene who could question it all above the level of "I was just doing what I was told", under some plausible pretext duty.

So if you have read my theory and listened to the parts of the OP link that are relevant to the "firecracker" theory, you get to call me out on any specific problem you can think of about it all.

I'm listening, and thank you.

This is beyond silly. If I'm an actor and my acting job is to pretend like I got blown up and I later see that the acting job I had was actually being treated like a real bombing I have zero interest in keeping quiet. Why would I say "I was just doing my job" if I knew the bombing wasn't real?

Every last person that engaged in faking the bombing would have to be invested in the conspiracy to the extent that it would be more worth it to them to maintain it than to expose it. You reference Machiavelli all the time yet you don't seem to have read that chapter. I haven't been able to find the quote online so I'll go get my well worn copy of The Prince and type it out for you.

 

[Gameface]

Now I know people want to take what Machiavelli says and apply it only to politics and ruthlessness, but Machiavelli was above all other things a truth teller. What he says is based on the nature of man more than on a strategy to being a good prince. So with that said, please glean from this the nature of man and the complications of conspiracy instead of focusing on how a prince avoids being assassinated as part of a conspiracy.

Oh, and I found this online so it's a copy and paste.

That prince is highly esteemed who conveys this impression of himself, and he who is highly esteemed is not easily conspired against; for, provided it is well known that he is an excellent man and revered by his people, he can only be attacked with difficulty. For this reason a prince ought to have two fears, one from within, on account of his subjects, the other from without, on account of external powers. From the latter he is defended by being well armed and having good allies, and if he is well armed he will have good friends, and affairs will always remain quiet within when they are quiet without, unless they should have been already disturbed by conspiracy; and even should affairs outside be disturbed, if he has carried out his preparations and has lived as I have said, as long as he does not despair, he will resist every attack, as I said Nabis the Spartan did.

But concerning his subjects, when affairs outside are disturbed he has only to fear that they will conspire secretly, from which a prince can easily secure himself by avoiding being hated and despised, and by keeping the people satisfied with him, which it is most necessary for him to accomplish, as I said above at length. And one of the most efficacious remedies that a prince can have against conspiracies is not to be hated and despised by the people, for he who conspires against a prince always expects to please them by his removal; but when the conspirator can only look forward to offending them, he will not have the courage to take such a course, for the difficulties that confront a conspirator are infinite. And as experience shows, many have been the conspiracies, but few have been successful; because he who conspires cannot act alone, nor can he take a companion except from those whom he believes to be malcontents, and as soon as you have opened your mind to a malcontent you have given him the material with which to content himself, for by denouncing you he can look for every advantage; so that, seeing the gain from this course to be assured, and seeing the other to be doubtful and full of dangers, he must be a very rare friend, or a thoroughly obstinate enemy of the prince, to keep faith with you.

And, to reduce the matter into a small compass, I say that, on the side of the conspirator, there is nothing but fear, jealousy, prospect of punishment to terrify him; but on the side of the prince there is the majesty of the principality, the laws, the protection of friends and the state to defend him; so that, adding to all these things the popular goodwill, it is impossible that any one should be so rash as to conspire. For whereas in general the conspirator has to fear before the execution of his plot, in this case he has also to fear the sequel to the crime; because on account of it he has the people for an enemy, and thus cannot hope for any escape.

If it helps bring it into context swap "the prince" with the "American people" and where it says "the people" change it to "the illuminati" or "evil British bankers" or whomever it is you imagine these conspiracies are being carried out on behalf of.

 

[Gameface]

So whom will be pleased by the success of these (9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon) conspiracies? And who would be displeased if the conspiracy was discovered. Where is there more to gain for the countless people that would have to know that the events were not as we have been led to believe?

As soon as you open your mind to a malcontent you have given him the material with which to content himself, for by denouncing you he can look for every advantage; so that, seeing the gain from this course to be assured, and seeing the other to be doubtful and full of dangers, he must be a very rare friend, or a thoroughly obstinate enemy of [the people], to keep faith with you.

 

[babe]

So whom will be pleased by the success of these (9-11, Sandy Hook, Boston Marathon) conspiracies? And who would be displeased if the conspiracy was discovered. Where is there more to gain for the countless people that would have to know that the events were not as we have been led to believe?

Well, you have done some homework, or have shown a card or two in your hand, to the effect of making your position more understandable to me.

However, I am wondering how you explain the camera footage in the OP. It was broadcast by mainstream media, and the questions raised by actually looking at it all with an objective eye are not answered by your denial theory.

I have a lot to do the next two or three days. I will address you points in detail when I come back.