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HeavenHarris, bro.


Mark Cuban would give up his left ******** to trade rosters from Dallas to the Jazz right now.

Dallas is easily the biggest dumpster-fire in the WCF. Parsons is meh, Dirk is done, Chandler is running on fumes, Rondo is a goner/sucks. Ellis is all yall got going for ya. No bench either-- Crowder & Wright were your two best pieces.


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Stifle-- the jazz could have kept big al and others if they simply wanted to make the playoffs, no?
i thought the purpose of this entire thing was to not just make the playoffs, but to win a championship.
is that correct?

appreciate u being one of the few to actually admit to the facts, even tho we may disagree with the justifcation/reasons why they came to be. at least u admit em instead of denying. respect for that, sir.
 
dalamon said:
HeavenHarris, bro.


Mark Cuban would give up his left ******** to trade rosters from Dallas to the Jazz right now.

Dallas is easily the biggest dumpster-fire in the WCF. Parsons is meh, Dirk is done, Chandler is running on fumes, Rondo is a goner/sucks. Ellis is all yall got going for ya. No bench either-- Crowder & Wright were your two best pieces.


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mark cuban? that dude couldnt run a dairy queen bro. and for that reason, he's out.
 
Jazz Insider said:
Stifle-- the jazz could have kept big al and others if they simply wanted to make the playoffs, no?
i thought the purpose of this entire thing was to not just make the playoffs, but to win a championship.
is that correct?

appreciate u being one of the few to actually admit to the facts, even tho we may disagree with the justifcation/reasons why they came to be. at least u admit em instead of denying. respect for that, sir.
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Rome wasn't built in a day and neither is a team that may contend for a championship (or playoff elite at least). The ONLY way to do that is what Miami did: clear the roster entirely and get three superstars to sign with the team. Do you think Utah could EVER do that?

Neither do I. So the only other viable option is to draft well, let your young players develop and add FA's as you can to fill holes. SA was built that way, as was OKC, GS and Atlanta. Memphis as well. Grizzlies plateaued and tore down their squad by trading Pau and ridding themselves of other veterans. They got a young Marc Gasol, then added Randolph. OKC was almost entirely built through the draft. GS' stars were all draft picks, to which they added some decent vets. Atlanta was more off a mix, as was the LA Clippers. The point is...all those teams went through multiple losing seasons as they rebuilt.

The exceptions being Miami (one terrible season followed by signing the Big3) and SA...injuries devastating a team that had 59 wins the previous season...and lucking out into one of the all-time greats in Duncan with their #1 pick.
 
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Utah Jazz (prior to last season):

In 30 years, only TWO losing seasons:
2004-05: 26-56 in a season marked by significant injuries.
2010-11: 39-43 the year Sloan quit and Deron was suddenly traded. Well above .500 before those two events.

Underwent two significant rebuilds:
1. Post Stockton/Malone
2. Post Deron, AK, Boozer and Memo

We're now in rebuild #3.
1. One year of real losing
2. Very close to .500 this year.

I'd say we're in great shape!
And kudos to Dennis Lindsey and the Millers.

Looking ahead: yes, we have cap space. But it's not all usable. Have to assume our frontcourt, one of the best and youngest in the league even now, will command almost $60M. Add in Exum and either Burks or another starting SG. That's pretty close to the new projected cap already (when it jumps in 2016). Then we have the space between the cap and tax threshold to sign a few reasonably priced players (or keep our own). Rest of the roster will be filled with minimum salary players and our plethora of draft picks. And we're going to NEED to have great value from some of those players on rookie contracts.
 
KD's Framily said:
The thing is, it's been more than 15 games.

The Jazz have gone 23-17 over their last 40 games. 5th in defensive rating in the entire NBA during that stretch. That's a 46-48 win pace for the youngest team in the NBA with 4 rookies in their 9 man rotation. It's pretty significant.
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Boom bitches
 
Jazz Insider said:
but in order to take the next step, mgmt has to be patient with the rebuild and wait for players to develop like they did with favors and Hayward, along with waiting for thier rookie head coach to develop and implement his system
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Stifle Tower said:
Utah Jazz (prior to last season):

In 30 years, only TWO losing seasons:
2004-05: 26-56 in a season marked by significant injuries.
2010-11: 39-43 the year Sloan quit and Deron was suddenly traded. Well above .500 before those two events.

Underwent two significant rebuilds:
1. Post Stockton/Malone
2. Post Deron, AK, Boozer and Memo

We're now in rebuild #3.
1. One year of real losing
2. Very close to .500 this year.

I'd say we're in great shape!
And kudos to Dennis Lindsey and the Millers.

Looking ahead: yes, we have cap space. But it's not all usable. Have to assume our frontcourt, one of the best and youngest in the league even now, will command almost $60M. Add in Exum and either Burks or another starting SG. That's pretty close to the new projected cap already (when it jumps in 2016). Then we have the space between the cap and tax threshold to sign a few reasonably priced players (or keep our own). Rest of the roster will be filled with minimum salary players and our plethora of draft picks. And we're going to NEED to have great value from some of those players on rookie contracts.
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interesting. i appreciate a legit response. ur logic seems sound. so sound, im reconsidering my position. respec.

howevs, when i take he logic and try to apply it to the facts of reality, im not sure how well it holds up.
the 2nd rebuild you mention, post deron, seems to be ridiculously short and with little reward.
how are you so sure the 3rd rebuild, as you refer to it, wont be something similar?
this is why i say 'perpetual rebuild.' im not convinced, and id like to know why u and others are.
i wanna feel safe too bros. but i feel like gobert, favors, hay, etc. are only rentals.
 
At this point, it's just a matter of time. We have "our" players at all their positions who will play for "their" coach.. We're just waiting for Burks to get better and for Exum to gain a handle on his ability. Once the Kancer was traded, they started running over everyone. I don't believe this to just be a coincidence.

Folks, keep your hands, arms, feet, and legs inside the vehicle and enjoy the ride...
 
Jazz Insider said:
interesting. i appreciate a legit response. ur logic seems sound. so sound, im reconsidering my position. respec.

howevs, when i take he logic and try to apply it to the facts of reality, im not sure how well it holds up.
the 2nd rebuild you mention, post deron, seems to be ridiculously short and with little reward.
how are you so sure the 3rd rebuild, as you refer to it, wont be something similar?
this is why i say 'perpetual rebuild.' im not convinced, and id like to know why u and others are.
i wanna feel safe too bros. but i feel like gobert, favors, hay, etc. are only rentals.
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If you consider Favors a "rental", after all he has said and done, then there is nothing anyone can say or do that will make you think otherwise.

Pointless discussion at this point imo.

Personally I am extremely high on this team. I think the new trend we are seeing is the strongest thing the Jazz have going for them in keeping players like Hayward and Gobert. If they start winning and are pushing for championships by the time those contracts are up then I can see all of them wanting to renew with the Jazz.
 
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