oh yea and that offensive system of Snyders is such a genius machine now for the rest of the Jazz
Could Kanter and Gobert have worked?
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oh yea and that offensive system of Snyders is such a genius machine now for the rest of the Jazz
Kanter's emergence in OKC isn't caused by one thing, it's a combination of things. But make no mistake, him being a ****ing baby here is a huge reason that he played like one when he was here.
But of course, playing with a playmaker the calibre of Westbrook helps a lot while also playing with maybe the only big in the NBA that could help cover his defensive deficiencies and also spread the floor as well as Ibaka did (which doesn't apply at the current time). Also the change of scenery helps, but that's largely redundant as it goes back to him being a weenie.
But of course, playing with a playmaker the calibre of Westbrook helps a lot while also playing with maybe the only big in the NBA that could help cover his defensive deficiencies and also spread the floor as well as Ibaka did (which doesn't apply at the current time). Also the change of scenery helps, but that's largely redundant as it goes back to him being a weenie.
The Blue Elephant
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That is just it, Kanter and Gobert could have worked if they had a good pg miss TS% shows offensive skill.
Sigh, I don't have the time nor the crayons to debate with someone with your inferior level of intellect.
That may be, but the fact remains that Kanter is a worse scorer than Favors both in volume and efficiency, even though Kanter had the benefit of playing with Westbrook for 15 or so games, which Favors did not. Given all that, it's not a stretch at all to say that Favors and Gobert are the better pair. And Christ, we haven't even gotten into defense.
Yeah I'd say something like that as well if I knew I was hopelessly wrong.
Jazz4ever
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Well yah, but he is also draining mid range jump shots at a near lethal rate (47% 10-16' and 37.5% 16-22'). He was flat out bricking wide open ones here. He probably doesn't get traded for scraps if he was hitting his mid range, but what can you do...
addictionary
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The thing with Enes, he is doing what he does best really good since he joined Oklahoma. But he looks even worse on some defensive positions. Like if he doesn't care if they score or not. It's like he finds his new team collectively not caring for defense too much so he stopped imitating caring for it. He has to get better on D or this is his ceiling. Because he already is a really good offensive center. But his other end of the court game shadows his production a lot.
If you are going to judge what Kanter would have been like in Utah, previous experience with Utah is the best predictor, not previous experience with OKC. When you play with MVP candidate PG, that makes your job much easier. When you play with elite stretch 4, who is also elite rim protector that makes your job much easier. When you have a ton of other players that stretch the floor that makes your job much easier as a big. In Utah Kanter would have had exactly what he had before he was traded - horrendous backcourt that cannot stretch the floor, horrible PG play that can't create any offense for him. Why is that even hard to understand?
Here's the two man line ups between our 3 bigs:
D. Favors | E. Kanter 840.1 minutes -2.5 points per 100 possessions
R. Gobert | E. Kanter 300.3 minutes -6.6 points per 100 possessions
D. Favors | R. Gobert 696.0 minutes +3.0 points per 100 possessions
About half of the minutes of the Favors/Gobert pairing is from after the trade, but even before it, it was still the best pairing out of all our bigs pairings.
The Blue Elephant
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Kanters game depends on a pg who passes the ball to him. If you put Calvin Johnson on the Cleveland Browns with Johnny football throwing him the ball of course his stats are going to be bad.
There was no bigger supporter of Kanter the last four years then me. I believe the Jazz got completely hosed in the trade and I knew that he would shine in OKC. But even the most ardent supporters have to admit the one benefit of this trade has been watching Gobert in a starting role. He has been amazing.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if Kanter ends up being an all star. It doesn't matter that he becomes a 20 point 10 rebound machine. He is gone and he isn't coming back. I've had to come to grips with that and so do all the other Kanter supporters.
At the end of the day it doesn't matter if Kanter ends up being an all star. It doesn't matter that he becomes a 20 point 10 rebound machine. He is gone and he isn't coming back. I've had to come to grips with that and so do all the other Kanter supporters.
Well duh. Every big benefits from playing with a better PG. You think Favors wouldn't also get a large boost in his numbers if he played with Westbrook?
The Blue Elephant
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According to OKC media guy
"Russell Westbrook has assisted on 39 of Enes Kanter's baskets. The rest of the Thunder roster: 13."
Favors would have increased too but Kanter has literally been triple teamed at times. Did you see the assist he had to Marrow last week? He is helping westbrook as well. Not every big would have taken advantage of Westbrook the same way that Kanter has.