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4-team trade idea for SG & C

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jimmyjazz

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>>https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4gpl8eg

Jazz send Okur to Detroit, AK to NJ, get Hamilton and Dalembert

Detroit sends Rip to Utah, gets Okur and Petro

NJ sends Troy Murphy to Sac, Petro to Detroit, gets AK

Sac sends Dalembert to Utah, gets Murphy

Pistons get 2 bigs – 1 injured ex-All-Star and 1 hasn’t played much but still young
Kings save $1.5M in salary, expiring for expiring
Netskys get Kirilenko, and lose Petro’s smallish but multiyear deal

At the cost of AK and a broken down Okur, the Jazz get a starting SG, allow Jefferson to play PF alongside a defensive C (expiring), make Hayward a token starter and add 2 ex-starters to the bench:

DWill, Watson, Price
Rip, Bell
Hayward, CJ
Jefferson, Sap
Dalembert, Elson, Fes
 
jimmyjazz said:
>>https://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=4gpl8eg

Jazz send Okur to Detroit, AK to NJ, get Hamilton and Dalembert

Detroit sends Rip to Utah, gets Okur and Petro

NJ sends Troy Murphy to Sac, Petro to Detroit, gets AK

Sac sends Dalembert to Utah, gets Murphy

Pistons get 2 bigs – 1 injured ex-All-Star and 1 hasn’t played much but still young
Kings save $1.5M in salary, expiring for expiring
Netskys get Kirilenko, and lose Petro’s smallish but multiyear deal

At the cost of AK and a broken down Okur, the Jazz get a starting SG, allow Jefferson to play PF alongside a defensive C (expiring), make Hayward a token starter and add 2 ex-starters to the bench:

DWill, Watson, Price
Rip, Bell
Hayward, CJ
Jefferson, Sap
Dalembert, Elson, Fes
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no reason for SAC to get involved unless they're getting a pick & no one is trading picks for those pieces.
 
PrinceJL said:
no reason for SAC to get involved unless they're getting a pick & no one is trading picks for those pieces.
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There's the 1.5M salary savings between them keeping Dalembert and getting Murphy. Don't know if they'll want to keep Murphy but he could be a shooting PF they might re-sign on the cheap to spread the floor for Cousins. But mainly it's the 1.5M pro-rated without giving up anything they'd want to keep.
 
jimmyjazz said:
There's the 1.5M salary savings between them keeping Dalembert and getting Murphy. Don't know if they'll want to keep Murphy but he could be a shooting PF they might re-sign on the cheap to spread the floor for Cousins. But mainly it's the 1.5M pro-rated without giving up anything they'd want to keep.
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SAC is already under the cap, so they're not saving 1.5M. plus, they can net more than Murphy for Dalembert.
 
I am in favor of any trade that gets us far more than what we would give up, regardless of how it treats the other team.


Now whether I believe it would ever happen.....
 
I stopped reading when you said we'd get Dalembert. Dalembert is awful. I'd rather start Fes.
 
It's amazing to me how people make these AK trades and don't seem to notice that we always lose wins while the team that gets AK increases their wins by 5+. The reason is because AK is good, and you (who make these trade threads) undervalue him. It seems to me like you're looking for ways to get rid of AK, and not asking yourself, are we getting back players that are better than AK? We never do, in these trade scenarios -- and most of the time we take back lousy contracts for aged players while getting worse as a team.

I'm going to plus rep you, though, because at least it's not a Danny Granger trade, and I need to spread some rep so I can neg Viny.
 
Stickler said:
It's amazing to me how people make these AK trades and don't seem to notice that we always lose wins while the team that gets AK increases their wins by 5+. The reason is because AK is good, and you (who make these trade threads) undervalue him. It seems to me like you're looking for ways to get rid of AK, and not asking yourself, are we getting back players that are better than AK? We never do, in these trade scenarios -- and most of the time we take back lousy contracts for aged players while getting worse as a team.

I'm going to plus rep you, though, because at least it's not a Danny Granger trade, and I need to spread some rep so I can neg Viny.
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You actually think that the Jazz MUST get a player better than AK in a straight-up trade? That is some mighty high expectations. I had proposed an AK for Iguodala trade move too. But I realize that trading AK is also as much about financial and LT relief . I wouldnt mind getting two solid role players in return for AK if it saves some cash. Also you forget to factor in AK's durability or lack thereof. That, by itself, would cost any team 10-15 games every year.
Unless you think continuing to pay 18 mil to an injury-prone guy to be be an inconsistent 4th option on offense is a great idea.
But the Jazz probably think that letting AK's contract run its course and allowing it to come off the books is not such a bad idea, especially that they have already paid most of the $$ on his contract
 
vj_74 said:
You actually think that the Jazz MUST get a player better than AK in a straight-up trade? That is some mighty high expectations. I had proposed an AK for Iguodala trade move too. But I realize that trading AK is also as much about financial and LT relief . I wouldnt mind getting two solid role players in return for AK if it saves some cash. Also you forget to factor in AK's durability or lack thereof. That, by itself, would cost any team 10-15 games every year.
Unless you think continuing to pay 18 mil to an injury-prone guy to be be an inconsistent 4th option on offense is a great idea.
But the Jazz probably think that letting AK's contract run its course and allowing it to come off the books is not such a bad idea, especially that they have already paid most of the $$ on his contract
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Yes, I absolutely believe that if you're going to trade one of the best players on your team, you should get back a better player. If the team isn't better after the trade is over, you shouldn't make the trade, generally speaking. Call me crazy. If there isn't an AK trade out there that improves the team (this one doesn't), let the contract expire and see what the next collective bargaining agreement holds. The last thing you want is a guy like Rip, old and creaky and dusty-boned, rolling around on the court in slow motion for the next 3 years at 12-million plus. Flexibility killer for the Jazz's future prospects. Not a good idea.
 
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