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Could The New Middle East Bad Guy Lead to Peace?

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So as I am sure many of you know I follow world events closely and try to stay informed.

Recently I am seeing an increase in articles about arch foes putting aside differences in the face of a new enemy.

Could ISIS be the key to a lasting peace in the middle east? Everyone has united against them.

They are so worrisome in some many areas of that region we are seeign unthought of matchups and cooperation to fight them.

Such as:

Afghan gov and Taliban cooperating. Even so far as the Afghan gov. recruiting the Taliban to fight.

Isreal/Hamas. They are talking thru back channels and Israel has lessened the embargo. Hamas is in a deadly *** for tat with ISIS on the Gaza strip.

America/Iran basically have a defacto alliance in Iraq. American airpower supporting Iran backed Shia militias.

With the recent advancements of ISIS in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Libya and Afghanistan (to name a few) they are obviously going to be around for a while.

Questions are these: Will they lead to a lasting peace among any of the specific parties? Why or why not?
 
No it won't lead to peace.
Why not? Cause it's the middle east. They love to fight with each other. Once isis is beaten things will go back to how they were/are
 
Despite what sloppy history books might say, rallying around a common enemy is only good at producing loud minorities. "Loud minorities" aren't loud because they're harbingers of peace.

A loud minority of colonists to North America unite against the British............ then unleash their furious manifest destiny and 'good for business' policies.

DEFINE PEACE.
 
NAOS said:
Despite what sloppy history books might say, rallying around a common enemy is only good at producing loud minorities. "Loud minorities" aren't loud because they're harbingers of peace.

A loud minority of colonists to North America unite against the British............ then unleash their furious manifest destiny and 'good for business' policies.

DEFINE PEACE.
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Not actively engaged in hostilities such as war, blockades, embargos or terrorist attacks while being engaged (or allowing the other side to engage with others) in trade and other beneficial areas.
 
addictionary said:
Temporary cooperation. Too many power holders mean indefinite conflict by structure.
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True but could some of these conflicts find peaceful resolution if this last long enough.

Let's say it takes 5 more years to win this fight. What are the chances that say Afghanistan and the Taliban discover that they fared really well during those 5 years and decide on peace over renewed fighting.

Peace doesn't have to be all inclusive. It can take hold in some places but not others.
 
Stoked said:
Not actively engaged in hostilities such as war, blockades, embargos or terrorist attacks while being engaged (or allowing the other side to engage with others) in trade and other beneficial areas.
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...makes me wonder when the US will be peaceful.
 
If it leads to liberalization and modernization of Islam, along with mainstream marginalization of extremist elements, then yes, a full fledged membership in the global interdependent economy is possible in the foreseeable future. But I remain very skeptical. Being from the ME myself, I've seen nothing but regress in my lifetime.
 
NAOS said:
...makes me wonder when the US will be peaceful.
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We are always involved in something, far to often. Unfortunately DC has not learned there are times to stand up and times to stand back.
 
Siro said:
If it leads to liberalization and modernization of Islam, along with mainstream marginalization of extremist elements, then yes, a full fledged membership in the global interdependent economy is possible in the foreseeable future. But I remain very skeptical. Being from the ME myself, I've seen nothing but regress in my lifetime.
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That is the only way you see peace happening.

Even if it lasts 10-15 years all these parties go right back to business as usual?
 
Stoked said:
That is the only way you see peace happening.

Even if it lasts 10-15 years all these parties go right back to business as usual?
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What cooperation are you speaking of? Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war in Yemen as we speak. Situation between Palestine and Israel is as bad as ever. Muslim governments have generally assisted the US in their "anti-terror" efforts, but the general public has always been much more sympathetic. ISIS has gone overboard and earned the hatred of many, but they have their supporters everywhere, and they continue to attract thousands of volunteers.

Cooperation between the governments is irrelevant. Too many aspects of contemporary Muslim culture is incompatible with modern life, and until that changes, there will be no peace. Daesh is only a symptom of a cancer that has long metastasized beyond control. Remove them, and others will surely take their place.
 
keep on dreaming bro.
even with the "big bad" isis.
obama just sparked a new arms race.

peace?

we are even further from it thanks to isis and obama,


have u watched the news.not liberal news. but news from middle east. at what obamas handjob and bending over backwards for iran means
 
Siro said:
What cooperation are you speaking of? Iran and Saudi Arabia are fighting a proxy war in Yemen as we speak. Situation between Palestine and Israel is as bad as ever. Muslim governments have generally assisted the US in their "anti-terror" efforts, but the general public has always been much more sympathetic. ISIS has gone overboard and earned the hatred of many, but they have their supporters everywhere, and they continue to attract thousands of volunteers.

Cooperation between the governments is irrelevant. Too many aspects of contemporary Muslim culture is incompatible with modern life, and until that changes, there will be no peace. Daesh is only a symptom of a cancer that has long metastasized beyond control. Remove them, and others will surely take their place.
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While far from good Israel and Palestine have started to see a thaw. Israel is easing the embargo to make Hamas look good. They are actually starting to talk. It's a start.

No, no all enemies are suddenly friends but I see a trend starting. And maybe with enough time, effort and pressure we will see one or two old feuds die.

Thanks for the insightful responses. Exactly what I was looking for.
 
Siro said:
If it leads to liberalization and modernization of Islam, along with mainstream marginalization of extremist elements, then yes, a full fledged membership in the global interdependent economy is possible in the foreseeable future. But I remain very skeptical. Being from the ME myself, I've seen nothing but regress in my lifetime.
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Great post. Would be awesome if the optimistic part of your post came to fruition.
 
Sunnis and Shiites don't get along.

Oh and then you throw Jews, Christians, and natural resources into the mix...

Yeah peace isn't breaking out in the Middle East anytime soon
 
no matter how big and bad isis is.
1 thing is for sure obama's mid east foreign policy, has destabilized the middle east more.

anyone saying other wise is falling for liberal propaganda or is not really up to date at what really is happening in middle east.

maybe dont get your news from cnn/abc/nbc. watch al jazeer and or ha'aretz news. if you got friends and family in those region call em up and ask em how is it going.

also even if they somehow magically unite against Isis. once Isis is defeated watch em fight for borders that have been re-arranged by this war.
 
If the cold war didn't bring us all together nothing will.
 
Stoked said:
So as I am sure many of you know I follow world events closely and try to stay informed.

Recently I am seeing an increase in articles about arch foes putting aside differences in the face of a new enemy.

Could ISIS be the key to a lasting peace in the middle east? Everyone has united against them.

They are so worrisome in some many areas of that region we are seeign unthought of matchups and cooperation to fight them.

Such as:

Afghan gov and Taliban cooperating. Even so far as the Afghan gov. recruiting the Taliban to fight.

Isreal/Hamas. They are talking thru back channels and Israel has lessened the embargo. Hamas is in a deadly *** for tat with ISIS on the Gaza strip.

America/Iran basically have a defacto alliance in Iraq. American airpower supporting Iran backed Shia militias.

With the recent advancements of ISIS in Iraq, Syria, Gaza, Libya and Afghanistan (to name a few) they are obviously going to be around for a while.

Questions are these: Will they lead to a lasting peace among any of the specific parties? Why or why not?
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I hope so, but I doubt it.

For example, the close cooperation between the West and Soviet Union during WWII did not lead to any kind of last rapprochement. So at the very least, it's not a necessary result.

Are there examples where what you are suggesting have occurred? I'm asking seriously--I don't know.
 
Stoked said:
While far from good Israel and Palestine have started to see a thaw.
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Have you read about Israel's new Assistant Foreign Minister (effectively Foreign Minister, as Netanyahu is the actual Foreign Minister, as well as PM)? She's an Orthodox Jew who claims that the Palestinian Land rightfully belongs to Israel, having been given to them by God, that the West Bank settlements are justified, and that everyone else just needs to accept it.

If that's a thawing, I'd hate to see a freezing.
 
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