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Cancer rates are exploding, dude. What's your course of action to address that very obvious fact? Ignoring research regarding its causes and potential treatments?

You can get caught up in it if you want, or you can realize that cancer diagnosis rates are exploding compounded by increasing longevity but not actual apples to apples cancer rates. You're talking like a radicalized community activist again with definitive statements like "that very obvious fact", "Cancer rates are exploding", and "Ignoring research". Don't become the next Al Sharpton, dude. You have better potential.

I expect some half-baked msnbc response how I'm an idiot who don't know nothing, sir, because xyz study I google pulled shows you're wrong haha. Save it, nobody cares.
 
I think he just wanted to know what you thought and you overreacted. Which seems to be your mo

It's cool you're getting involved here?

Anyway, my thoughts about tenure, relative to the issue in the OP, were very clear. Here they are again: the decline of tenure -- specifically, the scarcity of jobs with that perk -- is a factor in the phenomena the author is concerned about.
 
You can get caught up in it if you want, or you can realize that cancer diagnosis rates are exploding compounded by increasing longevity but not actual apples to apples cancer rates. You're talking like a radicalized community activist again with definitive statements like "that very obvious fact", "Cancer rates are exploding", and "Ignoring research". Don't become the next Al Sharpton, dude. You have better potential.

I expect some half-baked msnbc response how I'm an idiot who don't know nothing, sir, because xyz study I google pulled shows you're wrong haha. Save it, nobody cares.

No, I'm just gonna call your claim that rising Cancer rates from better diagnoses & longer life-expectancies out for what they are-- simply untrue. Maybe if you compare the 19th century from today-- but compare Cancer rates this year from two years ago. 5 years ago. 7 years ago. 10 years ago. The phenomenon of people dying from cancer without us knowing is essentially non-existent in modern America, relatively speaking. Let's also acknowledge that life expectancies are rumoured to decrease for the first generation ever-- so that effectively collapses your other point as well. Cancer rates are rising. But sure, I guess "I'm being Al Sharpton". Do you even know how to post without insulting anymore? My goodness.


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People living longer = more of a chance to get cancer.
 
No, I'm just gonna call your claim that rising Cancer rates from better diagnoses & longer life-expectancies out for what they are-- simply untrue. Maybe if you compare the 19th century from today-- but compare Cancer rates this year from two years ago. 5 years ago. 7 years ago. 10 years ago. The phenomenon of people dying from cancer without us knowing is essentially non-existent in modern America, relatively speaking. Let's also acknowledge that life expectancies are rumoured to decrease for the first generation ever-- so that effectively collapses your other point as well. Cancer rates are rising. But sure, I guess "I'm being Al Sharpton". Do you even know how to post without insulting anymore? My goodness.


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Cancer rates are exploding over a 1 year timeframe? lol

SMH you think people buy this stuff you make up.
 
Cancer rates are exploding over a 1 year timeframe? lol

SMH you think people buy this stuff you make up.

You lack education on the topic, quite frankly. I'd post excerpts from the 2015 World Cancer Report showing an expected 50% increase of cancer over the next short while, but you seem to be upset when I post studies for some reason

Still, surprised you held back from an insult here tho, happy for you.
 
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I wonder what Dal thinks about cancer stuff in Canada?

Lots about the USA.

Probably an alt based in America. You should track him down a la write4u.


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You lack education on the topic, quite frankly. I'd post excerpts from the 2015 World Cancer Report showing an expected 50% increase of cancer over the next short while, but you seem to be upset when I post studies for some reason

Still, surprised you held back from an insult here tho, happy for you.

Uhh huh. Someday you'll wise up to these fear mongering projections and short term outliers (that is, if you get over your chicken little fear of The Impending Environmental Doom Bogeyman causing every aspect of nature to fall apart at the seams any minute now). Seems awfully easy to sell you a bill of goods these days. Embarrassingly easy.

"Cancer rates are exploding, we don't know why, yet we can model 50% increases in cancer rates by tomorrow, or at least mid-July at maximum". --dAlsharptomon.
 
Anyway, my point was that, in my line of work, the recent studies and the local Al Sharptons would have you believe we all have a 2000% chance of cancer by 25. The science is there after all, it's all in the World Cancer Report in fact.


Yet we don't all have cancer...
 
we all have a 2000% chance of cancer by 25.

This seems like an exaggeration. I would like to see a link to the article/report that shows this data
 
Uhh huh. Someday you'll wise up to these fear mongering projections and short term outliers (that is, if you get over your chicken little fear of The Impending Environmental Doom Bogeyman causing every aspect of nature to fall apart at the seams any minute now). Seems awfully easy to sell you a bill of goods these days. Embarrassingly easy.

Yet you can't sell me on you having a shred of intellectual honesty, or emotional maturity.


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This seems like an exaggeration. I would like to see a link to the article/report that shows this data

Franklin doesn't believe in studies or data. Didn't you read his posts in this thread earlier?


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Dal, you need to admit that the way the medical authority recognizes "cancer" has changed. A lot. Or, you can cast your own intellectual honesty out the window, too.
 
Anyway, my point was that, in my line of work, the recent studies and the local Al Sharptons would have you believe we all have a 2000% chance of cancer by 25. The science is there after all, it's all in the World Cancer Report in fact.


Yet we don't all have cancer...

Put your money where your mouth is-- take a study published over the past year that discusses expected Cancer explosions, and go through-- in detail-- the methodological errors & conclusions that the paper makes.


Simple 'buzzwords' like "short-term outliers", or "sample size" are vague ways to pat yourself in the back, and get similarly uneducated peers to nod their heads aggressively in agreement-- but do nothing to support your claims.


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Dal, you need to admit that the way the medical authority recognizes "cancer" has changed. A lot. Or, you can cast your own intellectual honesty out the window, too.

Changed a lot how? Since when? Since last year? Since 2005? Since the 19th century? Some context would be appreciated in a post so vague-- particularly when it questions my intellectual honesty.


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This seems like an exaggeration. I would like to see a link to the article/report that shows this data

what do you expect from hyperbole anyway? It's a point well-made.

On one side we have some herd-manager-class alarmists working hard to focus more resources on their little slice of our overgrown government. I wouldn't just imply that Dal does not have justification for his concerns, though, if he lacks some balance when reading the articles generated from the community of concerned scientists whose noses are deep in the research or treatment of cancer.

On the other hand, we have some equally well-educated folks of all kinds. . . in Franklin's case I think being informed and also having some common sense, enough to resist the drive of some alarmist articles.

A researcher in cancer from fifty years ago, who ultimately died of cancer himself, used to quip about how if you don't die of anything else, you'll die of cancer for sure. He made it to age 82 or so.

Still, it is important for us to consider the implications of the things we are doing. Sure we do diagnose cancer pretty effectively. A lot of people get killed in car wrecks while they have cancer, too, or die of something else like a heart attack with undetected cancer as well. Some rioters who get shot by cops have cancer, too. Anyone who doesn't understand the nature of medical statistics might have some unrealistic expectations or ideas of what we should do. I think we could allow for incompleteness of data and bias of data appropriately, and still obtain the result that we have a cancer epidemic, as well as a diabetes epidemic, and an obesity epidemic, and several other epidemics going on which arise not from pathogenic viruses, infectious agents, or other "natural" causes, but from our impacts on our environment with toxic chemicals being released in the air, into the water, or buried in the ground, or mined out of the ground. In addition, I think we have epidemics ongoing as the consequence of prescribed medicines both for home use or administered in hospitals, some proportion of which are from wrong diagnoses, and others from simply the side effects of our medicines. In addition, I think we are generating epidemics with our food processing practices, and our food packaging practices.

A long time ago I studied multiple sclerosis. I think I read every published report that dealt with "multiple sclerosis" in the index medicus going back fifty years. A lot of the studies were epidemiology studies, just compiling data on the people who were diagnosed with it. It seemed to be a disease that only occurs in developed countries. Questioning that, some folks went out into the hinterlands looking for people who might not have been able to go to a doctor about it. Some went to the jungles of Africa and Southeast Asia. Others went to remote fishing villages in the North Atlantic and North Pacific. Some went to India, others to China.

Some went looking for people in rural America with MS, too. Over the years, they saw the MS rates change everywhere, when the water supplies were developed and kept clean. Yep. Chlorination of drinking water causes MS.

Well, it might take an idiot to just think it's that simple, even if there's a lot of data that would support the idea. You could say eating fish prevents MS, too, from the stats. You could say stress causes MS, too. You could also say there's a genetic factor because people who are related to someone diagnosed with MS is several times more likely to get it. Direct contact between MS sufferers and unrelated people doesn't impose a risk on the unrelated folks, though, so it's probably not just "transmitted" somehow. You could also say getting the measles increases your risk for MS, or getting vaccinated for Measles even.

So anyway, I concluded that chlorination of water results in chlorinated organic stuff in the water, and the excess chlorine damages lipids in living tissues as well, principally affecting the lipids in cell membranes, and thus altering the vital membrane chemistry of receptors and the response to antigens and the binding of antigens. It therefore has a rational basis for being considered as factor in autoimmune disease and cancer, and a variety of other disorders in our health. It does not kill you like it kills single-celled bacteria, but it creates a population of abnormal cells in all tissues of the body where it either acts directly or acts upon the lipid supplies needed for building cell membranes.

I think Dal is on to something with the cancer epidemic. We are using Bisphenol-A as a plasticizer in our plastic wrap and our plastic bottles. Bisphenol-A, and range of other plasticizers, are "phytoestrogens" which means that they mimic some effects of estrogen. Some cancers are known to be fed by too much estrogen, or other hormonal imbalances. A lot of this in our food could effectively feminize males, too. It's been seen in some frogs in particularly affected water areas where chemicals like this have been dumped.

I might take a dim view of some "herd-manager" types of bureaucrats in some respects, but we do need to track our health and look for causes in the way we are doing stuff, and we need some bureaucrats who will just say "No" to some of our practices that are having effects on our health.

I don't know what we can do to replace chlorine as a water treatment in our water plants, but we can install home systems for purifying water and removing the chlorinated chemicals and the chlorine. And we can design bottles with a plastic layer inside the glass, like our car windshields, and a glass layer to prevent leakage of plasticizers into our drinks. These would be some good business I could start, if I could get someone to help me work out a business plan. . . .

It's easier to exploit the problems systemically created by other industries and even government bureaucrats and privately develop an answer to the problem, and take it to the market. . .. than change societal systems wholesale.
 
Changed a lot how? Since when? Since last year? Since 2005? Since the 19th century? Some context would be appreciated in a post so vague-- particularly when it questions my intellectual honesty.


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Surely you know, right? I mean, you're writing about the historical rise in cancer rates... which is a history that can't be written without a chapter on cancer detection. I don't think they're doing it the same way today as they were just 20 years ago. The markers have moved.
 
Surely you know, right? I mean, you're writing about the historical rise in cancer rates... which is a history that can't be written without a chapter on cancer detection. I don't think they're doing it the same way today as they were just 20 years ago. The markers have moved.

Earlier cancer detection is a constant improvement, and is much of the reason as to why cancer survival rates are improving over the past 5, 10, and 20 years. Prevention and early diagnosis are easily the two best ways to address rising cancer rates. My lab specifically is working on alternative bio markers of disease progression in prostate cancer, as the current one (PSA) is garbage.

With that said, you seem to be missing something-- while our cancer detection was worse 20 years ago, what that meant is the cancer was simply detected later. The skill of conducting autopsies, or determining causes of death has not changed in the past twenty years. People were still diagnosed with breast cancer-- albeit later. This is an argument that really only is comparable with like >50 year comparisons, if that.


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