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Fabtrey said:
if cleveland somehow beats warriors and bron looking like a supehero then i'm gonna seriously consider moving Bron to top 5 all time.

for now i have

1. MJ
2. Magic
3. kareem
4. russell
5. duncan
6. wilt
7. bron
8. shaq
9. bird
10. kobe
11. hakeem
12. oscar


and bron has a plenty of time to eventually be #2 all time.
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why bron > bird?
 
dalamon said:
why bron > bird?
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Bron beats him because at the end of the day, bird's career was cut short. bird's peak was ridiculous. we all know that. 84-86 bird was probably top 3 peak all time. imagine bird never had a problem. he would've played well till in his late 30's because he never really relied on his athleticism. but dude was a broken man.

bron's been on top longer and overall bron did more. We all know Bron isn't the greatest clutch player. But bron makes up for his overall impact to a team. Bron just makes everyone around him better.

this is no knock on Bird. if we are talking about pure peak value, bird is no doubt top 5 all time. but GOAT debate is more than just the peak value. it's the whole shebang.

i have no problem people saying bird > bron. most of them are 'peak value' guys. if that's the case then Shaq is absolutely top 4 all time. i can't find anybody having a better peak than shaq except jordan.


peak value

1. MJ
2. shaq
3. bird
4. wilt
5. hakeem


i think bron's peak was 2009-2013. he is still in his prime. i would say his prime lasts 4 more years. we are truly witnessing one of the greatest career ever in the nba. i fully expect bron to win at least 2 more rings. if i have to guess, bron will retire with 5 rings.
 
Fabtrey said:
Bron beats him because at the end of the day, bird's career was cut short. bird's peak was ridiculous. we all know that. 84-86 bird was probably top 3 peak all time. imagine bird never had a problem. he would've played well till in his late 30's because he never really relied on his athleticism. but dude was a broken man.

bron's been on top longer and overall bron did more. We all know Bron isn't the greatest clutch player. But bron makes up for his overall impact to a team. Bron just makes everyone around him better.

this is no knock on Bird. if we are talking about pure peak value, bird is no doubt top 5 all time. but GOAT debate is more than just the peak value. it's the whole shebang.

i have no problem people saying bird > bron. most of them are 'peak value' guys. if that's the case then Shaq is absolutely top 4 all time. i can't find anybody having a better peak than shaq except jordan.


peak value

1. MJ
2. shaq
3. bird
4. wilt
5. hakeem


i think bron's peak was 2009-2013. he is still in his prime. i would say his prime lasts 4 more years. we are truly witnessing one of the greatest career ever in the nba. i fully expect bron to win at least 2 more rings. if i have to guess, bron will retire with 5 rings.
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Duncan number 6? His peak value is very high in my book. I think he and Hakeem are interchangeable, though I'd probably put Duncan just ahead of him. Then again, I am just an uninformed child. I agree with Shaq's peak being #2. Dude was unstoppable.

#100RAPclub
 
LazyD said:
Duncan number 6? His peak value is very high in my book. I think he and Hakeem are interchangeable, though I'd probably put Duncan just ahead of him. Then again, I am just an uninformed child. I agree with Shaq's peak being #2. Dude was unstoppable.

#100RAPclub
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....what records does Shaq hold? Championships? Not even close. Scoring titles? So far behind not even funny. Career points? Forgetaboutit! Total rebounds? Nope, Total blocks? Nope. He's got NOTHING career wise that warrants him being put in the top 10 let alone top 5! Oh, he might be close to total number of free throws taken....AND...then MISSED! Number of traveling violations not called by the refs? Top 5 for sure!
 
carolinajazz said:
....what records does Shaq hold? Championships? Not even close. Scoring titles? So far behind not even funny. Career points? Forgetaboutit! Total rebounds? Nope, Total blocks? Nope. He's got NOTHING career wise that warrants him being put in the top 10 let alone top 5! Oh, he might be close to total number of free throws taken....AND...then MISSED! Number of traveling violations not called by the refs? Top 5 for sure!
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Peak Shaq bullied the league like the police bullies people of color - fatally. In particular, watch some Shaq highlights and peep his numbers from his 1999-2000 campaign. You're welcome.

You are, undoubtedly, the worst person in the world at understanding context.
 
Fabtrey said:
Bron beats him because at the end of the day, bird's career was cut short. bird's peak was ridiculous. we all know that. 84-86 bird was probably top 3 peak all time. imagine bird never had a problem. he would've played well till in his late 30's because he never really relied on his athleticism. but dude was a broken man.

bron's been on top longer and overall bron did more. We all know Bron isn't the greatest clutch player. But bron makes up for his overall impact to a team. Bron just makes everyone around him better.

this is no knock on Bird. if we are talking about pure peak value, bird is no doubt top 5 all time. but GOAT debate is more than just the peak value. it's the whole shebang.

i have no problem people saying bird > bron. most of them are 'peak value' guys. if that's the case then Shaq is absolutely top 4 all time. i can't find anybody having a better peak than shaq except jordan.


peak value

1. MJ
2. shaq
3. bird
4. wilt
5. hakeem


i think bron's peak was 2009-2013. he is still in his prime. i would say his prime lasts 4 more years. we are truly witnessing one of the greatest career ever in the nba. i fully expect bron to win at least 2 more rings. if i have to guess, bron will retire with 5 rings.
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Bird won rings 5 years apart. Bron been on top longer..?
 
LazyD said:
How did you find this? This is absolute gold!
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Shaq's Foul Shooting is so Bad that the NBA gave him 168 extra foul shots this pass season

( lane violations )

And he still shot .469% from the Foul line





Currently there is Not a Single Woman in the WNBA shooting under 53% from the Foul line

During the 2006 NBA Finals Shaq was 14 - 48 from the foul line

On December 8, 2000, Shaq set the NBA Record by taking 11 foul shots in one game and Not making any.

This is the only NBA Record Shaq Holds

In a December game against the Memphis Grizzlies Shaq was 2-8 from the Foul line . During one time out after a Shaq miss the Grizzlies ran a 10 year old child out to the foul line, who preceded to make 8 foul shots in a row.

Shaq is a JOKE
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:D
 
dalamon said:
Bird won rings 5 years apart. Bron been on top longer..?
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i really can't fault bron for not winning with the cavs before he left. he really played with a mediocre roster. they weren't horribly bad, but they really weren't championship rosters either. and Bron's been the best player every year pretty much all his career except 3 seasons IMO. Bird was the absolute best player in 84-86. and was top 5 in most of the other healthy seasons. and that celtics roster was absolutely sick. yeah, it's not fair to fault bird, but that's the reality.

if bron retires after this season, then you probably have to flip a coin. bron did enough to be in the top 10 for sure. and you gotta choose what you want in a player.

bird
a better offense
much more 'playground' than bron ever was
more clutch
better shoooter
slightly better rebounder


Bron
he is the ultimate decision maker
more methodical approach
more complete (a better 2 way player)
has more responsibility


it's a very close debate now. but Bron has 7-8 years left in him. debate won't be close then. IMO, longevity is very important.
 
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