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Jazz to actively pursue Paul Millsap this offseason, per Spencer Checketts

Cappy_Smurf said:
No way. I'm a big Sap fan, but that statement is completely underrating Favors.
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I'm fine if people think millsap is better than favors (I don't) but they are very close in their value that they add to a team.

I think favors has more than one all star appearance in his future and I love him on the jazz but I do think sap is almost as good as favs and if you can get millsap to replace favors and also get russell or porz then I think you have to consider it.

That is a low risk and high reward trade. It's low risk because worst case scenario millsap isn't quite as good as favors (but still a very nice player) and porz or russell bust. We still have a very nice team with millsap, Hayward, hood, Burks, Gobert, exum, ingles, etc.

But, on the other hand...... If sap plays like an all star and fits perfect next to Gobert (very possible) plus porz turns into nowitzki or russell turns into steph then wow what a great trade
 
GVC said:
Also, I'm not sure signing Millsap to a big deal is the right move, but Millsap > Favors easily.
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Favors averaged more points and more rebounds than Millsap per 40 minutes. Favors was also the 6th best rim protector in the NBA (Millsap was 103rd). Favors is 23 years old, Millsap is 30.

Given all that, really not sure how "Millsap > Favors easily".
 
Yea I'm all for it. Let's break up the team chemistry and defense that we showed the 2nd half of the season and instead bring in a rookie who hasn't done **** and a undersized power forward. While we are at it. Let's trade Gobert for #1 draft pic. Because as of now Gobert is one dimensional as a defensive player. Re-****-ulous
 
I dont think were trying to break up the chemistry. I think the idea is to add to the team by bringing in a playmaking 4. Millsap is a great fit in that regard.
 
fishonjazz said:
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That is a low risk and high reward trade. It's low risk because worst case scenario millsap isn't quite as good as favors (but still a very nice player) and porz or russell bust. We still have a very nice team with millsap, Hayward, hood, Burks, Gobert, exum, ingles, etc.

But, on the other hand...... If sap plays like an all star and fits perfect next to Gobert (very possible) plus porz turns into nowitzki or russell turns into steph then wow what a great trade
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Low risk? Trade a fringe all-star in Favors for a pick and HOPE Millsap signs for LESS money in Utah than he could get in Atlanta. Sorry, worst case is Derrick is traded and Millsap stays in Atlanta (or signs anywhere but Utah). Also hope Porzingis turns into Nowitzki and not Jan Vesely. That's extreme, but there's a GOOD chance whoever is drafted at #4 DOESN'T become a star player.

The other risk? Alienating Rudy. He and Derrick have built up good chemistry together. I'm really not worried, though, because I think Checketts is just blowing smoke. Or, the Jazz are going after Millsap as their 3rd big. Lindsey is not stupid enough to trade the second linchpin of the best defense in the NBA and a player who has gotten better EVERY year. And is a viable backup center (or even starter if Rudy were hurt). You can't say that about Millsap.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Low risk? Trade a fringe all-star in Favors for a pick and HOPE Millsap signs for LESS money in Utah than he could get in Atlanta. Sorry, worst case is Derrick is traded and Millsap stays in Atlanta (or signs anywhere but Utah). Also hope Porzingis turns into Nowitzki and not Jan Vesely. That's extreme, but there's a GOOD chance whoever is drafted at #4 DOESN'T become a star player.

The other risk? Alienating Rudy. He and Derrick have built up good chemistry together. I'm really not worried, though, because I think Checketts is just blowing smoke. Or, the Jazz are going after Millsap as their 3rd big. Lindsey is not stupid enough to trade the second linchpin of the best defense in the NBA and a player who has gotten better EVERY year. And is a viable backup center (or even starter if Rudy were hurt). You can't say that about Millsap.
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I'm saying it's low risk if we end up with millsap...... In other words, in this hypothetical roster move we get millsap.

We all know who millsap is..... An all star or fringe all star caliber player and if he is on the jazz I think we still make the playoffs next year..... Even if the 4 pick ends up a bust.

That's what I mean by low risk. If we subtract favors and add millsap and the 4 pick to the team then worst case scenario we are still a really good team
 
fishonjazz said:
That's what I mean by low risk. If we subtract favors and add millsap and the 4 pick to the team then worst case scenario we are still a really good team
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But that's a big IF! Utah can't even talk to Millsap before July 1st. So right now Checketts is saying there's a unilateral interest in Millsap returning to Utah. Jazz have no way of knowing if the attraction is mutual. What is Plan B? Gobert's goal is to make the playoffs. So we give him Booker and a rookie (Porzingis) to man the 4 if Millsap doesn't want to accept a paycut to return to Utah?
 
Stifle Tower said:
But that's a big IF! Utah can't even talk to Millsap before July 1st. So right now Checketts is saying there's a unilateral interest in Millsap returning to Utah. Jazz have no way of knowing if the attraction is mutual. What is Plan B? Gobert's goal is to make the playoffs. So we give him Booker and a rookie (Porzingis) to man the 4 if Millsap doesn't want to accept a paycut to return to Utah?
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Who said anything about a paycut? We don't know anything about what will be on table for him, and I'm somehow skeptical that Atlanta rolls out the 5-year max for him. And actually, I'm not even sure if he's eligible for one of those since they don't own his Bird Rights and I'm not as good with CBA matters as I once was (and am indisposed at the moment).
 
Millsap's advanced defensive stats are skewed by the way Atlanta is playing defensively as a team(for example James Harden's defensive win shares are about the same as Millsap's, the fact that those teams use specific defensive schemes that inflate numbers for players, doesn't mean that those players are top 10 defenders in the league). When you look at his defensive shot charts things get a bit more clear. He's pretty bad when defending opponent's shots, allows 52% eFG, which is horrible for a player who defends PFs. For example, Trevor Booker allows 46% eFG, even if he doesn't have the counting stats and advanced stats.
 
Stifle Tower said:
But that's a big IF! Utah can't even talk to Millsap before July 1st. So right now Checketts is saying there's a unilateral interest in Millsap returning to Utah. Jazz have no way of knowing if the attraction is mutual. What is Plan B? Gobert's goal is to make the playoffs. So we give him Booker and a rookie (Porzingis) to man the 4 if Millsap doesn't want to accept a paycut to return to Utah?
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I will be clear. If the jazz don't get millsap (or some other 4 of similar quality) then I would not consider favors for the #4 pick.

Losing favors and only replacing him with Booker or a raw rookie would be going backwards.
I want to make the playoffs next year. (And I think we will too)
 
fishonjazz said:
I will be clear. If the jazz don't get millsap (or some other 4 of similar quality) then I would not consider favors for the #4 pick.

Losing favors and only replacing him with Booker or a raw rookie would be going backwards.
I want to make the playoffs next year. (And I think we will too)
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Numberica got me thinking and I spent WAY too much time reading Coon's FAQ site. If the Jazz really want to get EITHER Millsap or Carroll, I think there's a way (I made a separate thread). Those 2-yr deals may come back to bite Atlanta in the butt as they only give early-Bird rights to Atlanta. DMC EXPLODING as a player may prevent the Hawks from keeping both of them.
 
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