Should the Warriors mail DL a ring for facilitating the Igoudala trade?
Warriors don't win the championship without DL and the Jazz.
Warriors don't win the championship without DL and the Jazz.
Should Dennis Lindsey Get a Championship Ring?
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Coach Ellis
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A.) Somebody would have made the deal that the Jazz did. Two unprotected picks in two of the best projected drafts in tears was a great haul for one tank season of Richard Jefferson. (I don't even count Rush/Biedrins since neither guy could even get minutes for Ty Corbin.)
B.) You look out for your own personal interests first and foremost. The Jazz needed to go young and gain assets. Utah, Philly and Boston all played that same game too. The problem isn't that Iguadola was such a great acquisition. . . it's that the Warriors finally got smart and found a coach that was willing to make the pieces work. I'm not in awe of Steve Kerr, but he managed this team the right way and rode his talent to a championship.
C.) If the Jazz ever win a championship with Rodney Hood, should they send the Warriors GM a ring too? My only real regret is that the Jazz didn't maul the Warriors every game they played for the past two seasons. Win or lose, beating the crap out of them and leaving them banged up for a week or two afterward would have been a great strategy for messing with their depth.
B.) You look out for your own personal interests first and foremost. The Jazz needed to go young and gain assets. Utah, Philly and Boston all played that same game too. The problem isn't that Iguadola was such a great acquisition. . . it's that the Warriors finally got smart and found a coach that was willing to make the pieces work. I'm not in awe of Steve Kerr, but he managed this team the right way and rode his talent to a championship.
C.) If the Jazz ever win a championship with Rodney Hood, should they send the Warriors GM a ring too? My only real regret is that the Jazz didn't maul the Warriors every game they played for the past two seasons. Win or lose, beating the crap out of them and leaving them banged up for a week or two afterward would have been a great strategy for messing with their depth.
That is assuming no one else would have facilitated the trade... They still could have got it done. Maybe a little more work or gave up another future pick but it would have got done.
Whatever the case, it would have cost more, or else they would have gotten the deal done somewhere else. We don't know if there was anyone else out there who was willing/able to take that salary.
Yeah! San Antonio sent Larry Bird a ring too for trading them Kawhi Leonard.
Blame the 6 teams that passed on Steph Curry.
Blame the 6 teams that passed on Steph Curry.
Who cares who wins if its not us. We weren't going the win the championship if we didn't do that trade. Now if the Warriors knock out the Jazz in the future because of Iguodala then we can be upset.
Iggy was the last piece though. We put the last piece in for them. Not mad about it or anything, just an interesting note.
Coach Ellis
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Considering how bad the Warriors had been leading up to that point. . . it was well worth the risk.
In the 10 previous drafts, they'd finished outside the lottery only twice (2007 & 2013), they finished between 10-14 three times (2004, 2008 & 2011) and they finished between 6-9 a whopping five times (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010 and 2012).
Their coach was a royal grade D-bag. Plus they had 4 projected starters from their team - Bogut, Lee, Iguadola and Curry - that all have had significant injury histories. The odds that they fail were really, really high. Still could be ugly for them in the near future if they max out Green and Barnes as starters and then have Curry or Bogut get hurt.
2004 - 11th overall
2005 - 9th overall
2006 - 9th overall
2007 - 18th overall
2008 - 14th overall
2009 - 7th overall
2010 - 6th overall
2011 - 11th overall
2012 - 7th overall
2013 - 21st overall
In the 10 previous drafts, they'd finished outside the lottery only twice (2007 & 2013), they finished between 10-14 three times (2004, 2008 & 2011) and they finished between 6-9 a whopping five times (2005, 2006, 2009, 2010 and 2012).
Their coach was a royal grade D-bag. Plus they had 4 projected starters from their team - Bogut, Lee, Iguadola and Curry - that all have had significant injury histories. The odds that they fail were really, really high. Still could be ugly for them in the near future if they max out Green and Barnes as starters and then have Curry or Bogut get hurt.
2004 - 11th overall
2005 - 9th overall
2006 - 9th overall
2007 - 18th overall
2008 - 14th overall
2009 - 7th overall
2010 - 6th overall
2011 - 11th overall
2012 - 7th overall
2013 - 21st overall
Not sure. I don't think Philly would have taken that deal. They wanted to stay at salary floor and not spend that much $$$.
Joe Bagadonuts
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It was a reasonable trade to make. I will be cheering for the Warriors to have an unprecedented meltdown next season. First to worst!
fgcamel
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Jumpshooting teams can't win back to back championships
Joe Bagadonuts
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Or even make the playoffs in back to back years.
Mission Accomplished
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They only won because Love and Irving went down. Take away Thompson and Green GS would have been slaughtered. We saw the best player maybe ever show that basketball is a team sport and he lost a big part of his team. LeBron almost averaged a triple double!
The reason they got Iguodala wasn't the Richard Jefferson deal -- it was the deal where we included Foye as a sign-and-trade to pick up a second round pick, which wasn't originally part of the deal if I remember correctly. The fact that we helped a team that screwed us so hard, especially when we owned their picks and needed them to suck, didn't really justify picking up a second rounder as we had a plethora.
Coach Ellis
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Trading Foye allowed Denver to convert it into a S&T. Had the Jazz held firm, then GSW have to sign him with cap space outright. Their cap would have been harder to manage (because they'd have lost their exceptions) and Denver wouldn't have been able to get a trade exception out of the deal. Ultimately, Utah did a solid for Denver and Denver did a solid for GSW. . . which really wouldn't have mattered much.
The playoffs are all about 8 man rotations. The Warriors were healthy. The Cavs were not. Add Irving and Love to the Cavs lineup and it's a totally different series. Just watching the dynamics unfold makes me think that the Jazz need to get two more players. That should be the focus This offseason and see where that puts them.
I'd roll with Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Burks and Exum. Booker and Jingles make for decent injury protection or spot minutes. . . but the Jazz need another high level big man (either position) and either a wing or a guard. If it's a wing, Burks gets PG minutes - if it's a guard, he gets wing minutes. That's your top 8. That's your playoff rotation. You need the whole bench to get you there healthy, but once you're in. . . it's about who has the best top 8 guys.
The playoffs are all about 8 man rotations. The Warriors were healthy. The Cavs were not. Add Irving and Love to the Cavs lineup and it's a totally different series. Just watching the dynamics unfold makes me think that the Jazz need to get two more players. That should be the focus This offseason and see where that puts them.
I'd roll with Gobert, Favors, Hayward, Hood, Burks and Exum. Booker and Jingles make for decent injury protection or spot minutes. . . but the Jazz need another high level big man (either position) and either a wing or a guard. If it's a wing, Burks gets PG minutes - if it's a guard, he gets wing minutes. That's your top 8. That's your playoff rotation. You need the whole bench to get you there healthy, but once you're in. . . it's about who has the best top 8 guys.
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I knew this thread would pop up... so appropriate that Cy started it.
Okay let's go back and undo the past... great now GS has Hood and Cleveland won the championship... u happy now?
I understand the butterfly effect changes things a bit, but really that trade turned out pretty well for us and we haven't even used the other pick yet. Those of you saying we shouldn't have helped another team out are likely not business majors. We helped someone out and gained because of it... guess what? Now we have a good relationship with another GM... maybe its goodwill like that that allows us to maybe pull off other deals like when we got Gobert. I know the order of how things happened, but if we were constantly dicks and not doing reasonable things to help others out we likely don't get those other types of deals done.
We have to look out for ourselves... and sometimes that requires helping others out.
Okay let's go back and undo the past... great now GS has Hood and Cleveland won the championship... u happy now?
I understand the butterfly effect changes things a bit, but really that trade turned out pretty well for us and we haven't even used the other pick yet. Those of you saying we shouldn't have helped another team out are likely not business majors. We helped someone out and gained because of it... guess what? Now we have a good relationship with another GM... maybe its goodwill like that that allows us to maybe pull off other deals like when we got Gobert. I know the order of how things happened, but if we were constantly dicks and not doing reasonable things to help others out we likely don't get those other types of deals done.
We have to look out for ourselves... and sometimes that requires helping others out.