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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: White Chocolate vs. Eminence

Who would win in a 7 game series?

  • Total voters
    26
  • Poll closed .
White Chocolate said:
But, but, but he is 6'7!!!
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He is. Log is wrong. Your bench is too undersized, and your first unit doesn't have enough ball movement IN MY OPINION. Those are your two biggest weaknesses. Your team is not bad, and I think this will be a close match. But I just think Eminence's team has a better feel to it as a unit.
 
WC team is really good. They match up well and are better at most positions. The only real advantage Eminence's team has is KG but that is not that big to me. Amare is really good in his prime and only a step behind KG.
 
Siro said:
He is. Log is wrong. Your bench is too undersized, and your first unit doesn't have enough ball movement IN MY OPINION. Those are your two biggest weaknesses. Your team is not bad, and I think this will be a close match. But I just think Eminence's team has a better feel to it as a unit.
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You are entitled to your opinion, but Unseld and Reed were both MVP's and there were a ton of great players during their time. They could hold their own, a Stockton, Maravich, and Erving fast break would be something to pay to watch.
 
White Chocolate said:
Stop me when I'm wrong:

Stockton > Paul

Maravich > Ginobili

Erving > Hill

Stoudemire < Garnett

Walton < Robinson

I really think it's that easy to see.
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Time for mine.

Stockton = Paul - Both have their pluses, Stockton is a more efficient shooter(61% vs 58% TS%), Paul turns it over less(21% vs 13% TOV%).

Maravich < Manu - Marivach is a me-first gunner who didn't play defense. Terrible in this type of team environment.

Erving > Hill - Erving is the better one on one scorer, Hill the better passer/defender.

Amare <<< Garnett - Peak Amare, with Peak Nash feeding him the ball came close to KG on offense, while being worse defensively than Boozer, please, don't even compare them, it's not close.

Walton = Robinson - I think Walton had a bit more offensive talent, while Robinson has superior defensive impact due to his mobility.

Fairly equal for four positions, but the gap between KG and Amare is huge.

White Chocolate's team defense is terrible and we will score extremely easily. His offense is a mixmash of parts that don't really fit together. Three ball dominant wings just don't go great Stockton/Pete/Dr.J.
 
Eminence said:
Stockton = Paul - Both have their pluses, Stockton is a more efficient shooter(61% vs 58% TS%), Paul turns it over less(21% vs 13% TOV%).
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Eminence said:
White Chocolate's team defense is terrible and we will score extremely easily.
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John Stockton - 5× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (1989, 1991–1992, 1995, 1997)

Julius Erving - ABA All-Defensive First Team (1976)

Bill Walton - 2× NBA All-Defensive First Team (1977–1978)

Ron Artest - NBA Defensive Player of the Year (2004), 2× All-Defensive First Team (2004, 2006), 2× All-Defensive Second Team (2003, 2009)

Willis Reed - NBA All-Defensive First Team (1970)
 
Stockton is better than Paul, but Robinson is better than Walton.
 
Siro said:
Stockton is better than Paul, but Robinson is better than Walton.
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What would you say Stockton's best season was? Compare it to Paul's 08-09. Love Stockton as much as I love any basketball player and he was my inspiration to start playing, but looking at the stats there is no way to say he is clearly better than Paul.
 
Eminence said:
What would you say Stockton's best season was? Compare it to Paul's 08-09. Love Stockton as much as I love any basketball player and he was my inspiration to start playing, but looking at the stats there is no way to say he is clearly better than Paul.
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Stockton averaged 15+ points, 13+ assists, and 2.5+ steals per game for like 10 years straight. And it isn't just about stats, I mean you're old enough to have seen Stockton play, correct? I'm surprised you think this is even a discussion. Stockton is better for sure.
 
Siro said:
Stockton averaged 15+ points, 13+ assists, and 2.5+ steals per game for like 10 years straight. And it isn't just about stats, I mean you're old enough to have seen Stockton play, correct? I'm surprised you think this is even a discussion. Stockton is better for sure.
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Stockton is the GREATER player no doubt, but the BETTER? His longevity obviously crushes Paul, but better? I really don't think so... I'm a big fan of Stockton's 88-89 season so I'll use that, but feel free to plug in any season.

Base stat lines are:
Stockton- 17/14/3/3/0
Paul- 23/11/6/3/0

Per 100 possessions this turns to:
Stockton- 22/17/4/4/0
Paul- 32/16/8/4/0

Advanced stats Paul is miles ahead... And yet you say there's no debate?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=1989&p1=stockjo01&y2=2009&p2=paulch01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
 
Bahahahahahahahaha. Bro.


Stockton >>>>>>> Paul, and I'm voting against your team just because you're trying to make this ****ing case.
 
Eminence. You must stop. Take up another debate. Concede this battle. Save yourself for the war.
 
Eminence said:
Stockton is the GREATER player no doubt, but the BETTER? His longevity obviously crushes Paul, but better? I really don't think so... I'm a big fan of Stockton's 88-89 season so I'll use that, but feel free to plug in any season.

Base stat lines are:
Stockton- 17/14/3/3/0
Paul- 23/11/6/3/0

Per 100 possessions this turns to:
Stockton- 22/17/4/4/0
Paul- 32/16/8/4/0

Advanced stats Paul is miles ahead... And yet you say there's no debate?

https://www.basketball-reference.com/play-index/pcm_finder.cgi?request=1&sum=0&y1=1989&p1=stockjo01&y2=2009&p2=paulch01&p3=&p4=&p5=&p6=
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Maybe my perception is tainted by Stockton's greatness and longevity. I would have to look at the advanced analytics, and think of the different aspects of their game and the team context they were in. I'll do that later.
 
One of the toughest things to do is fairly judge players who had very short careers. True greatness comes with excelling over a long period of time. I'll give a nod to Walton because he was truly dominant when he played. Amar'e, I believe, was more a product of the Phoenix system. He didn't prove himself anywhere else, but largely because of injury. Tough decision, but my vote goes to White Chocolate. I think he has a better PG rotation and wings, enough to make up for PF, where Eminence is a clear winner.
 
Dr. Jones said:
Eminence. You must stop. Take up another debate. Concede this battle. Save yourself for the war.
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Bah, you're right. The people will not agree here.

Mmk, simple stuff Amare=garbage defender, worse than Boozer, and you want him on the Paul/KG pick and roll? Things will go very very well for us.
 
Advanced Stats also doesn't take into account that the 90s were a hand-checking era. Stockton would average 25 a game in 2010 if he wanted to. Smh, comparing a dude who can't get it done in the playoffs vs. one of the best clutch perfumers of any PG.
 
Siro said:
Maybe my perception is tainted by Stockton's greatness and longevity. I would have to look at the advanced analytics, and think of the different aspects of their game and the team context they were in. I'll do that later.
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dude. Hand-checking.
 
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