All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: spycam1 vs. Jeffrey32

[spycam1]

This could very well have been the Finals. Crazy we're matched up in the first round.

 

[LogGrad98]

Hack I traded Bird and essentially got Stockton and Erving back so shut up.

LogGrad is the one who traded Carter for Wade. Don't start making early excuses for when you lose.

Damn straight and I'd do it again. I got for value for that one, and a superstar to boot.

 

[spycam1]

This is really tough.

The one question I have for Spy is if Rodman is guarding Magic; Is Billups guarding Kobe? Wade guarding Majerle?

Billups would guard Majerle in that scenario. Billups is only two inches shorter, one of the biggest built PGs ever, and was an all team defender. Billups would do just fine guarding him. He's had MUCH tougher players to guard before. Plus Majerle is the 5th option of his offense anyway, and not deserving of being a starter in this tournament.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Damn straight and I'd do it again. I got for value for that one, and a superstar to boot.

Hell yes, stick to your guns. It was a playful joke, if it was so bad someone would have vetoed it.

It's 8-8, yeah we totally stacked one team.

 

[Jeffrey32]

Dude, Kobe was Shaq's sidekick, whereas Hakeem crushed Shaq in the Finals.

I know Kobe was Shaq's sidekick. Hence why I said Kobe was Shaq's #2. But, then Kobe became #1 and got 2 more titles, same as HO. Also, again let's not forget that HO didn't have to face JOrdan in his prime in those "championship" years.

Shaq is not on my team, so it doesn't matter if HO crushed Shaq in the finals. Has no bearing on this match-up. That said, Shaq got to the Finals in just his 3rd season... HO went up against Baby Shaq and No Jordan. It took HO 10 years to get to the Finals. Again Shaq just 3.

I think HO was a reach as the #2 pick in this draft, considering Shaq in his prime is better than HO in his prime, plus there is Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar. O'Neal was named MVP of the NBA Finals all three times and had the highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history. It would have been fun to watch Shaq in his prime versus HO in his prime, but I think Shaq would've ultimately won... and Jabbar and Wilt would've beat them both.

 

[spycam1]

I know Kobe was Shaq's sidekick. Hence why I said Kobe was Shaq's #2. But, then Kobe became #1 and got 2 more titles, same as HO. Also, again let's not forget that HO didn't have to face JOrdan in his prime in those "championship" years.

Shaq is not on my team, so it doesn't matter if HO crushed Shaq in the finals. Has no bearing on this match-up. That said, Shaq got to the Finals in just his 3rd season... HO went up against Baby Shaq and No Jordan. It took HO 10 years to get to the Finals. Again Shaq just 3.

I think HO was a reach as the #2 pick in this draft, considering Shaq in his prime is better than HO in his prime, plus there is Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar. O'Neal was named MVP of the NBA Finals all three times and had the highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history. It would have been fun to watch Shaq in his prime versus HO in his prime, but I think Shaq would've ultimately won... and Jabbar and Wilt would've beat them both.

Hakeem, IMO, is the best center ever, and many people around here share that sentiment. You can debate who was best offensively between he, Shaq, and Kareem, but there's no question about who was the better defender. Overall, Hakeem was the best. I took Hakeem just as high a few years ago and went to the Finals with him. Taking him as high as I did is not a stretch. Hell, even Shaq and Jordan say Hakeem was the best.

 

[Jeffrey32]

And the chemistry between them works well. Wade is primarily a driver, balanced out by some of the best shooting you've ever seen in Bird. Bird's ability to shoot and post up give him tons of flexibility when Wade handles the ball, and Wade proved he could play off the ball when he teamed up with LeBron.

My team is built with actual, real-world, provable chemistry in mind, not just theoretical "chemistry." Fantasy is great and all, but I have 100% actual Championship, Gold Medal, and MVP results and I'm not even including NBA All Star games.

Kobe + Pau = 2 Titles together

Gasol Brothers = FIBA, Europleague, Spanish League, Olympics, their childhood backyard

Barkley, Magic, Mullin = The Dream Team (Plus, Lenny Wilkens was Asst. Coach)

Barkley + Wilkens = Dream Team II (Wilkens was Head Coach)

Majerle + Barkley = Suns, NBA Finals; Their years together were the best of their careers

Majerle + Mourning = Deep playoff runs with Heat

Kobe + Magic = Both Laker legends; Magic was minority owner of Lakers during Kobe's prime

 

[spycam1]

The chemistry I brought into question was that of Kobe and Magic (your two best players). I don't think they're an ideal pairing. Kobe is not accustomed to playing with a ball dominant PG, and Magic loses a lot of value when he doesn't have the ball in his hands when Kobe would want to run the show.

Doesn't mean it's the end of the world, toxic chemistry. Just saying they're not a natural fit as much as Hakeem/Bird are.

 

[spycam1]

At the end of the day, we both deserve to advance, and lots of teams that will, don't.

 

[Elizah Huge]

Hakeem, IMO, is the best center ever, and many people around here share that sentiment. You can debate who was best offensively between he, Shaq, and Kareem, but there's no question about who was the better defender. Overall, Hakeem was the best. I took Hakeem just as high a few years ago and went to the Finals with him. Taking him as high as I did is not a stretch. Hell, even Shaq and Jordan say Hakeem was the best.

Olajuwon and Walton are really the only two players to lead a team full of no-names to a championship (LeBron and Iverson came close).

These were the five best players on Olajuwon's first championship team:

Hakeem Olajuwon
Otis Thorpe
Vernon Maxwell
Kenny Smith
Chris Jent

These were the five best players on Walton's first championship team:

Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Lionel Hollins
Bob Gross
Larry Steele

I mean Lucas had a few good years and so did Hollins, but neither are in the Hall of Fame. Same goes for Thorpe, he had a few good years, but nobody on that team is in the Hall of Fame either. I mean nobody else on those rosters were picked in this thing and I'm sure you have heard of a few of them, but none of them make you think "star".

So I think that makes Olajuwon and Walton even more impressive.

 

[Elizah Huge]

At the end of the day, we both deserve to advance, and lots of teams that will, don't.

You both will, tbh.

 

[spycam1]

The chemistry I brought into question was that of Kobe and Magic (your two best players). I don't think they're an ideal pairing. Kobe is not accustomed to playing with a ball dominant PG, and Magic loses a lot of value when he doesn't have the ball in his hands when Kobe would want to run the show.

Doesn't mean it's the end of the world, toxic chemistry. Just saying they're not a natural fit as much as Hakeem/Bird are.

The same problem of chemistry was present between the Kobe/Nash pairing and is the reason Siro even cited as the reasoning for parting ways with Kobe.