All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: spycam1 vs. Jeffrey32
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Damn straight and I'd do it again. I got for value for that one, and a superstar to boot.
spycam1
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Billups would guard Majerle in that scenario. Billups is only two inches shorter, one of the biggest built PGs ever, and was an all team defender. Billups would do just fine guarding him. He's had MUCH tougher players to guard before. Plus Majerle is the 5th option of his offense anyway, and not deserving of being a starter in this tournament.
Hell yes, stick to your guns. It was a playful joke, if it was so bad someone would have vetoed it.
It's 8-8, yeah we totally stacked one team.
I know Kobe was Shaq's sidekick. Hence why I said Kobe was Shaq's #2. But, then Kobe became #1 and got 2 more titles, same as HO. Also, again let's not forget that HO didn't have to face JOrdan in his prime in those "championship" years.
Shaq is not on my team, so it doesn't matter if HO crushed Shaq in the finals. Has no bearing on this match-up. That said, Shaq got to the Finals in just his 3rd season... HO went up against Baby Shaq and No Jordan. It took HO 10 years to get to the Finals. Again Shaq just 3.
I think HO was a reach as the #2 pick in this draft, considering Shaq in his prime is better than HO in his prime, plus there is Wilt, Russell, and Jabbar. O'Neal was named MVP of the NBA Finals all three times and had the highest scoring average for a center in NBA Finals history. It would have been fun to watch Shaq in his prime versus HO in his prime, but I think Shaq would've ultimately won... and Jabbar and Wilt would've beat them both.
spycam1
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Hakeem, IMO, is the best center ever, and many people around here share that sentiment. You can debate who was best offensively between he, Shaq, and Kareem, but there's no question about who was the better defender. Overall, Hakeem was the best. I took Hakeem just as high a few years ago and went to the Finals with him. Taking him as high as I did is not a stretch. Hell, even Shaq and Jordan say Hakeem was the best.
My team is built with actual, real-world, provable chemistry in mind, not just theoretical "chemistry." Fantasy is great and all, but I have 100% actual Championship, Gold Medal, and MVP results and I'm not even including NBA All Star games.
Kobe + Pau = 2 Titles together
Gasol Brothers = FIBA, Europleague, Spanish League, Olympics, their childhood backyard
Barkley, Magic, Mullin = The Dream Team (Plus, Lenny Wilkens was Asst. Coach)
Barkley + Wilkens = Dream Team II (Wilkens was Head Coach)
Majerle + Barkley = Suns, NBA Finals; Their years together were the best of their careers
Majerle + Mourning = Deep playoff runs with Heat
Kobe + Magic = Both Laker legends; Magic was minority owner of Lakers during Kobe's prime
spycam1
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The chemistry I brought into question was that of Kobe and Magic (your two best players). I don't think they're an ideal pairing. Kobe is not accustomed to playing with a ball dominant PG, and Magic loses a lot of value when he doesn't have the ball in his hands when Kobe would want to run the show.
Doesn't mean it's the end of the world, toxic chemistry. Just saying they're not a natural fit as much as Hakeem/Bird are.
Doesn't mean it's the end of the world, toxic chemistry. Just saying they're not a natural fit as much as Hakeem/Bird are.
Olajuwon and Walton are really the only two players to lead a team full of no-names to a championship (LeBron and Iverson came close).
These were the five best players on Olajuwon's first championship team:
Hakeem Olajuwon
Otis Thorpe
Vernon Maxwell
Kenny Smith
Chris Jent
These were the five best players on Walton's first championship team:
Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Lionel Hollins
Bob Gross
Larry Steele
I mean Lucas had a few good years and so did Hollins, but neither are in the Hall of Fame. Same goes for Thorpe, he had a few good years, but nobody on that team is in the Hall of Fame either. I mean nobody else on those rosters were picked in this thing and I'm sure you have heard of a few of them, but none of them make you think "star".
So I think that makes Olajuwon and Walton even more impressive.
You both will, tbh.
spycam1
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The same problem of chemistry was present between the Kobe/Nash pairing and is the reason Siro even cited as the reasoning for parting ways with Kobe.
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Wait, are ppl doubting the greatness of Hakeem Olajuwon? Is there a single flaw to this mother-****er's game? Is there any HOFer from the 90s that this dude didn't completely **** in his prime? Can someone name one average player from Hakeem's 93-94 season?
Every great player from that generation (Shaq, Jordan) gives the doo his credit. Kenny the Jet would have had a career equal to ****ign Stromile Swift if he didn't ride on Dream's coattails.
Every great player from that generation (Shaq, Jordan) gives the doo his credit. Kenny the Jet would have had a career equal to ****ign Stromile Swift if he didn't ride on Dream's coattails.
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Jeffrey smoked 14 Jeffreys before deciding that Kobe > Dream.
Bruh, pls. Within a couple years, Hakeem took the Rockets with Sampson to the ****ing FINALS (BEATING A PRIME LA TEAM) and took what's considered a top-3 all-time NBA team to 6 games in the Finals. Notice how ppl laugh about Sam Bowie getting drafted ahead of Jordan, but never Hakeem? Gee, I wonder why.
Not people. Just Jeffrey. And he's not exactly the most disinterested observer.
spycam1
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Rodman is so underrated. No one brings to the table what he does. No one has ever dominated a major stat to the degree in which he has--a stat which correlates more strongly with winning than PPG.
No one else could clamp down on Shaq, Magic, and Jordan.
His Win% differential is #1 all time.
He has the highest Margin of Victory differential of any player since the 80s.
No one else could clamp down on Shaq, Magic, and Jordan.
His Win% differential is #1 all time.
He has the highest Margin of Victory differential of any player since the 80s.
spycam1
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To put Rodman's rebounding in perspective: his best rebounding season was 6 standard deviations higher than the average league leader. Not the average player. The average league leader.
To put that into further perspective: we all know how no one has ever come close to Stockton's ridiculous 15 APG, yes? Well, Stockton's best passing years are only slightly above 2 standard deviations above the average league leader. What does this mean? It means Rodman's dominance on the boards is 4 standard deviations higher than Stockton's dominance in assists compared to other league leaders.
To put that into further perspective: we all know how no one has ever come close to Stockton's ridiculous 15 APG, yes? Well, Stockton's best passing years are only slightly above 2 standard deviations above the average league leader. What does this mean? It means Rodman's dominance on the boards is 4 standard deviations higher than Stockton's dominance in assists compared to other league leaders.
Never said HO wasn't great. Just don't think he is greatest center ever. probably #5 center and top 15 player--which out of 4000 NBA players ever is great.
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