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All-Time NBA Draft Round 1: spycam1 vs. Jeffrey32

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Wait, are ppl doubting the greatness of Hakeem Olajuwon? Is there a single flaw to this mother-****er's game? Is there any HOFer from the 90s that this dude didn't completely **** in his prime? Can someone name one average player from Hakeem's 93-94 season?

Every great player from that generation (Shaq, Jordan) gives the doo his credit. Kenny the Jet would have had a career equal to ****ign Stromile Swift if he didn't ride on Dream's coattails.
 
Jeffrey32 said:
Check the list. Kobe has more than Hakeem in almost every major category and ties him in most of the others. Hakeem's only advantage is DPOY, but Kobe has more Defensive first teams. Kobe is #2 SG all-time, Hakeem is not maybe Top 5 center of all time (Wilt, Kareem, Russell, Shaq, and #5 Hakeem).

KOBE
5× NBA champion (2000–2002, 2009–2010)
2× NBA Finals MVP (2009–2010)
NBA Most Valuable Player (2008)
17× NBA All-Star (1998, 2000–2015)
4× NBA All-Star Game MVP (2002, 2007, 2009, 2011)
11× All-NBA First Team (2002–2004, 2006–2013)
2× All-NBA Second Team (2000–2001)
2× All-NBA Third Team (1999, 2005)
9× NBA All-Defensive First Team (2000, 2003–2004, 2006–2011)
3× NBA All-Defensive Second Team (2001–2002, 2012)
NBA All-Rookie Second Team (1997)
2× NBA scoring champion (2006–2007)
#3 scorer all time and counting

HAKEEM
2× NBA champion (1994–1995)
2× NBA Finals MVP (1994–1995)
NBA Most Valuable Player (1994)
12× NBA All-Star (1985–1990, 1992–1997)
6× All-NBA First Team (1987–1989, 1993–1994, 1997)
3× All-NBA Second Team (1986, 1990, 1996)
3× All-NBA Third Team (1991, 1995, 1999)
2× NBA Defensive Player of the Year (1993–1994)
5× All-Defensive First Team (1987–1988, 1990, 1993-1994)
4× All-Defensive Second Team (1985, 1991, 1996–1997)
NBA All-Rookie First Team (1985)
2x NBA rebounding leader (1989-1990)
3× NBA blocks leader (1990-1991, 1993)
NBA all-time blocks leader
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Jeffrey smoked 14 Jeffreys before deciding that Kobe > Dream.

Bruh, pls. Within a couple years, Hakeem took the Rockets with Sampson to the ****ing FINALS (BEATING A PRIME LA TEAM) and took what's considered a top-3 all-time NBA team to 6 games in the Finals. Notice how ppl laugh about Sam Bowie getting drafted ahead of Jordan, but never Hakeem? Gee, I wonder why.
 
White Chocolate said:
Olajuwon and Walton are really the only two players to lead a team full of no-names to a championship (LeBron and Iverson came close).

These were the five best players on Olajuwon's first championship team:

Hakeem Olajuwon
Otis Thorpe
Vernon Maxwell
Kenny Smith
Chris Jent

These were the five best players on Walton's first championship team:

Bill Walton
Maurice Lucas
Lionel Hollins
Bob Gross
Larry Steele

I mean Lucas had a few good years and so did Hollins, but neither are in the Hall of Fame. Same goes for Thorpe, he had a few good years, but nobody on that team is in the Hall of Fame either. I mean nobody else on those rosters were picked in this thing and I'm sure you have heard of a few of them, but none of them make you think "star".

So I think that makes Olajuwon and Walton even more impressive.
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dalamon said:
Wait, are ppl doubting the greatness of Hakeem Olajuwon? Is there a single flaw to this mother-****er's game? Is there any HOFer from the 90s that this dude didn't completely **** in his prime? Can someone name one average player from Hakeem's 93-94 season?

Every great player from that generation (Shaq, Jordan) gives the doo his credit. Kenny the Jet would have had a career equal to ****ign Stromile Swift if he didn't ride on Dream's coattails.
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I agree 100%.
 
Rodman is so underrated. No one brings to the table what he does. No one has ever dominated a major stat to the degree in which he has--a stat which correlates more strongly with winning than PPG.

No one else could clamp down on Shaq, Magic, and Jordan.

His Win% differential is #1 all time.

He has the highest Margin of Victory differential of any player since the 80s.
 
Dan Majerle starting over HOF Chris Mullin? Are you smoking a Jeffrey?

This alone is enough to make me pick the other team.
 
To put Rodman's rebounding in perspective: his best rebounding season was 6 standard deviations higher than the average league leader. Not the average player. The average league leader.

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To put that into further perspective: we all know how no one has ever come close to Stockton's ridiculous 15 APG, yes? Well, Stockton's best passing years are only slightly above 2 standard deviations above the average league leader. What does this mean? It means Rodman's dominance on the boards is 4 standard deviations higher than Stockton's dominance in assists compared to other league leaders.

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Siro said:
Not people. Just Jeffrey. And he's not exactly the most disinterested observer.
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Never said HO wasn't great. Just don't think he is greatest center ever. probably #5 center and top 15 player--which out of 4000 NBA players ever is great.


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akirac73 said:
Dan Majerle starting over HOF Chris Mullin? Are you smoking a Jeffrey?

This alone is enough to make me pick the other team.
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Read the reason and the strategy. I didn't just want to put the best individual talent in starting, but the best team on the floor as a unit. Majerle give me defense plus spacing. Mullin then becomes by far the best player off the bench like Ginobli for the Spurs or Harden in OKC. It's how Pop would have done it.


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dalamon said:
Notice how ppl laugh about Sam Bowie getting drafted ahead of Jordan, but never Hakeem? Gee, I wonder why.
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Rockets made a great pick back then no question, but with 100% hindsight if the Rockets could redo the draft knowing what Jordan became you don't think they would take Jordan over HO? 100% of teams in history would take Jordan #1 in every draft ever knowing what he became.



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spycam1 said:
The chemistry I brought into question was that of Kobe and Magic (your two best players). I don't think they're an ideal pairing. Kobe is not accustomed to playing with a ball dominant PG, and Magic loses a lot of value when he doesn't have the ball in his hands when Kobe would want to run the show.

Doesn't mean it's the end of the world, toxic chemistry. Just saying they're not a natural fit as much as Hakeem/Bird are.
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Magic is a natural fit with any player.
Because Magic is even more pass first than Lebron, Magic and Kobe together would have similar chemistry, if not better, than Lebron and Wade. People questioned their chemistry too and it led to 4 Finals.

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