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All-Time NBA Draft Round 2: Spycam1 vs. Thee jazz fan

Who would win in a 7 game series?

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Elizah Huge

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Team Spycam1:

PG - Chauncey Billups / Rajon Rondo
SG - Dwyane Wade / Dale Ellis / Andre Iguodala
SF - Larry Bird / Glen Rice
PF - Dennis Rodman / Blake Griffin
C - Hakeem Olajuwon / Mark Eaton / Joakim Noah

Team Thee jazz fan:

PG - Jerry West / Russell Westbrook
SG - George Gervin / Mitch Richmond / Richard Hamilton
SF - Kevin Durant / James Worthy / Alex English
PF - Bob Pettit / Larry Nance
C - Wilt Chamberlain / DeMarcus Cousins



Spy's Case:

n/a

Thee jazz fan's Case:

In the first round I probably made a mistake starting Westbrook at point guard, I also noticed that some were uneasy with me starting Kevin Durrant at the 4, so I've made some changes. These changes will only enhance my depth as it sends one of the 50 best players in Worthy to my bench

Jerry West...

https://youtu.be/0slTJerxPTA

Video shows Wests sweet jumpshot.

With West as the main pg it will be easier to make Wilt th focal point of the offense. West and Wilt will show great chemistry in half court sets especially pick and roll. West is one of those old timers that would be every bit as great today. Great passer and shooter and all round competitor. He isn't the NBA logo for nothing.

Kevin Durant...

Durant is moving back to sf, his natural position. This should be a fun matchup between him and Larry Legend. Durant is one of the best all round offensive players in any era. He could go insid with his amazing guard skills or pull up from 30ft. If need be and comfortably hit a jumpshot in your face with his length, and playing with a pg like West will only help to get him the ball in better positions to score even more.

Bob Pettit...

https://youtu.be/EFTY-6sk3iA

Pettit is the perfect guy to give Rodman Fits. Like Rodman Pettit was undersized but athletic Quick and an elite rebounder. He was a terror on the offensive boards. He played with the type of relentless style that set him a part from the rest of the league. Pettit with no question will be able to secure extra possessions for my team. To go along with his prolific rebounding he had a killer outside shot which he developed after he went pro. He will be used as a floor spacer keeping Rodman off the glass.

The Iceman George Gervin...

The Iceman is as smooth as they come. A long athletic wing that was a pure scorer. With West, Durant, and Pettit stretching the floor. The Iceman will have no trouble finding room for his midrang game and getting all the way to the hole. With his mastery of his finger roll and various floaters he has no problem finishing at the rim, even with Hakeem waiting in the paint. His inclusion into the starting lineup really gives me a lot of length at the guard and wing positions.

Will Chamberlain...

The owner of the most prolific offensive game scoring 100 points. The original dominant big man in the game. Not only does he possess great size and strength, but he is as athletic and mobile as they come. Think of him as an in shape Shaq playing bully ball. He's going to physically beat the hell out of the Dream on both ends of the court. Expect Wilt to get plenty of touches in the post. At some point he will command a double allowing him to kick out to one of our sharp shooters in West Durant Pettit Richmond and Rip. And plenty of opportunities slashing to the basket on picking rolls. There's not much I Keim can do to stop well when he has a full head of speed going towards the hoop. Wilt simply put will be the most dominant force in this game and it's deciding factor.

My bench...

Russell Westbrook
Mitch Richmond. Richard Hamilton
James Worthy. Alex English
Larry Nance
Demarcus Cousins

This is the perfect second unit that can bring energy and change of pace. Westbrook Worthy and Nance are the perfect running mates. Richmond and Rip are elite shooters, and Cousins just an absolute bully on the inside. English is a guy that can just come in cold and score a ton of points with the most lethal midrange shot in the game. Every bit as unstoppable as Kareem's skyhook.

https://youtu.be/k7XnQyqhz7g

If my first unit doesn't have it this unit is built to bring the team back in the second Quarter. This is as deep a bench that there is in this tournament.
 
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I feel like this board worships Hakeem even more than Malone and Stockton.

I like TJF's big three more than Spy's and TJF has a deeper team too. TJF's SF rotation is sick.

Taking into account the entire rotation:
PG: Thee
SG: Equal
SF: Thee
PF: Spy
C: Thee
 
I say this not to be disparaging to theejazzfan but spy's team would win this and his may be a perfectly constructed team. Hakeem and Bird are legitimate top 12 players of all-time, both of whom you can entrust for 20-30 points a game, leadership, and clutch shots down the stretch. Likewise, he may not score quite as many points as them but Billups' toughness, leadership and big shot ability can't go unnoticed here. Throw in Dwayne Wade, the third greatest shooting guard of all-time and another guy who can pour in 20-30 a night, as well as the best rebounder of all-time (https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_season.html) in Rodman, and you have a near-perfect starting five as far as their abilities and how complete and complimentary they are to one another. He then supplements that with tremendous bench perimeter shooting (Ellis, Rice), defense (Rondo, Eaton) and scoring in the right spots (Griffin) to make his team fundamentally near-perfect.

Probably the most underrated aspect of spy's team is his defense and rebounding. Bird was a very good defender and rebounder so to have him along with two elite defenders and rebounders at the 4 and 5 is frightening. For guards, Wade and Billups were also strong in this regard.
 
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Cunning Linguist said:
I say this not to be disparaging to theejazzfan but spy's team would win this and his may be a perfectly constructed team. Hakeem and Bird are legitimate top 12 players of all-time, both of whom you can entrust for 20-30 points a game, leadership, and clutch shots down the stretch. Likewise, he may not score quite as many points as them but Billups' toughness, leadership and big shot ability can't go unnoticed here. Throw in Dwayne Wade, the third greatest shooting guard of all-time and another guy who can pour in 20-30 a night, as well as the
best rebounder of all-time
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(https://www.basketball-reference.com/leaders/trb_pct_season.html) in Rodman, and you have a near-perfect starting five as far as their abilities and how complete and complimentary and they are to one another. He then supplements that with tremendous bench perimeter shooting (Ellis, Rice), defense (Rondo, Eaton) and scoring in the right spots (Griffin) to make his team fundamentally near-perfect.

Probably the most underrated aspect of spy's team is his defense and rebounding. Bird was a very good defender and rebounder so to have him along with two elite defenders and rebounders at the 4 and 5 is frightening. For guards, Wade and Billups were also strong in this regard.
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What? Do I have the all underrated team or something?

Likewise, he may not score quite as many points as them but Billups' toughness, leadership and big shot ability can't go unnoticed here.
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This is Jerry West to a tee. Who also scores more points. And amazing defense. Here is highlights of West in an allstar game playing great defense and clutch shooting.
https://youtu.be/KXN0pbV5MJg

Hakeem and Bird are legitimate top 12 players of all-time, both of whom you can entrust for 20-30 points a game, leadership, and clutch shots down the stretch. Likewise, he may not score quite as many points as them but Billups' toughness, leadership and big shot ability can't go unnoticed here.
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I get this with West Pettit and Wilt with Durant well on his way. West, Wilt, Pettit, Durant ,Gervin, English Westbrook and Richmond all guys that can get me not 20-30 points but 25-30 points a night.

clutch shots
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Ever heard of West Durant English Pettit. English and Pettit might be the most underrated players in NBA history.

best rebounder of all-time
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https://youtu.be/EFTY-6sk3iA
Pettit was the Rodman of his era but with a more complete game. He was every bit the terror on the bords Rodman was, but Pettit is the forgotten man when people talk about the greatest forwards of all time. Pettit's career rebounds per game is 16.2 Rodman had a career rebounds per game of 14.3.

and you have a near-perfect starting five as far as their abilities and how complete and complimentary and they are to one another.
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West
Iceman
Durant
Pettit
Wilt

I have shooting scoring athletic ability and defense. Looks like a perfectly constructed unit to me?

He then supplements that with tremendous bench perimeter shooting (Ellis, Rice), defense (Rondo, Eaton) and scoring in the right spots (Griffin) to make his team fundamentally near-perfect.
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Shooting Richmond Rip. Defense Westbrook Rip Worthy Nance. For the record Nance's defense was elite. 2.2 blocks a game for his career and as athletic as Griffin another underrated player in Nance.

and scoring in the right spots (Griffin) to make his team fundamentally near-perfect.
Cousin and Worthy say yo!!

Dude! U just described my team. Glad u think it's perfectly constructed.

Seriously don't understand how overlooked my team is.
 
addictionary said:
I dunno man. As much as I like Hakeem, I think Thee's team is better. Because bench.
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Even the starters. I'd take West/Gervin over Billups/Wade. Bird/Rodman is pretty much a wash against Durant/Petit. And Hakeem vs. Wilt? Damn, what a matchup! Wilt with the power game and Hakeem with the moves and Dream Shake. I think a lot of you younger guys have recency bias. I'm old enough to have seen many players like Gervin, English, Erving, etc. in their primes. The ABA was very much a rival of the NBA back in the days. TBH, ABA basketball resembled the NBA of today, with 3PT shots and free-flowing offense. But I'n not old enough to remember players like West, Wilt and Pettit.

I guess if these matchups are in today's NBA, you have to discount anyone that played physical. And give more value to shooters. The bad boys of Detroit would have never won a championship in today's game; their players would have all fouled out in the first half. Likewise put DWade or Durant back in the 80's and they're still great, but they only go to the line half as much. Back then you could actually breathe on a player without getting called for a ghost foul.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Even the starters. I'd take West/Gervin over Billups/Wade. Bird/Rodman is pretty much a wash against Durant/Petit. And Hakeem vs. Wilt? Damn, what a matchup! Wilt with the power game and Hakeem with the moves and Dream Shake. I think a lot of you younger guys have recency bias. I'm old enough to have seen many players like Gervin, English and later Worthy in their primes. But not old enough to remember West, Wilt and Pettit.

I guess if these matchups are in today's NBA, you have to discount anyone that played physical. And give more value to 3PT shooters. The bad boys of Detroit would have never won a championship; their players would have all fouled out in the first half. Put DWade back in the 80's and he's still great, but he only goes to the line half as much. Back then you could breathe on a player without getting called for a ghost foul.
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There were no superstar calls. Detroit screwed Jordan's body so much that he worked out hard that summer.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Even the starters. I'd take West/Gervin over Billups/Wade. Bird/Rodman is pretty much a wash against Durant/Petit. And Hakeem vs. Wilt? Damn, what a matchup! Wilt with the power game and Hakeem with the moves and Dream Shake. I think a lot of you younger guys have recency bias. I'm old enough to have seen many players like Gervin, English, Erving, etc. in their primes. The ABA was very much a rival of the NBA back in the days. TBH, ABA basketball resembled the NBA of today, with 3PT shots and free-flowing offense. But I'n not old enough to remember players like West, Wilt and Pettit.

I guess if these matchups are in today's NBA, you have to discount anyone that played physical. And give more value to shooters. The bad boys of Detroit would have never won a championship in today's game; their players would have all fouled out in the first half. Likewise put DWade or Durant back in the 80's and they're still great, but they only go to the line half as much. Back then you could actually breathe on a player without getting called for a ghost foul.
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Russ over Chauncey? If the other team's reserve PG beats your starter PG, the news are bad for you my friend.
 
addictionary said:
Russ over Chauncey? If the other team's reserve PG beats your starter PG, the news are bad for you my friend.
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Yes, my argument is the starters are pretty close to a wash and Thee's bench is much better. West was one of the all-time greats. Most seem to overlook that. And Gervin played in the ABA in his prime. Only us old folks remember the great players from the ABA. I was just a young boy, but that league was way more entertaining than the NBA. The NBA has EVOLVED today into what the ABA was offensively. Only things missing are the red, white and blue ball, the weird FT rules (2-to-make-1, 3-to-make-2) and the seer-sucker suits the coaches would wear. Man those 70's clothes were bad!
 
Stifle Tower said:
Yes, my argument is the starters are pretty close to a wash and Thee's bench is much better. West was one of the all-time greats. Most seem to overlook that. And Gervin played in the ABA in his prime. Only us old folks remember the great players from the ABA. I was just a young boy, but that league was way more entertaining than the NBA. The NBA has EVOLVED today into what the ABA was offensively. Only things missing are the red, white and blue ball, the weird FT rules (2-to-make-1, 3-to-make-2) and the seer-sucker suits the coaches would wear. Man those 70's clothes were bad!
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I kinda adored those balls.
 
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