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Beer said:
I'd rather spend a little more, get much better service and actually be helping someone live their life. I don't go to wal mart, its makes me feel gross.
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Okay, so can you list the mom and pop shops you shop at? And the names of the moms and pops?
 
I would love to finally be eligible sometime for overtime pay after a decade without. As for Wal-Mart, I recently saw an in-store job announcement for $20/hr starting salary as a typical Wal-Mart employee (not manager) in the store at Bangerter and 104th in South Jordan. I was shocked it paid that much!
 
default said:
I would love to finally be eligible sometime for overtime pay after a decade without. As for Wal-Mart, I recently saw an in-store job announcement for $20/hr starting salary as a typical Wal-Mart employee (not manager) in the store at Bangerter and 104th in South Jordan. I was shocked it paid that much!
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My mother in law works at Wal-Mart as a department manager pretty sure she makes ~$15. She does get 3 weeks of paid vacation.

Don't tell her I'm harassing the customers
 
A free market is a fantasy, too. Size matters a lot in a completion scenario with smaller profit margins, and in brutal market share exercises, like price wars. The little guy get rubbed out. That's not a "free market" in my opinion, it's a rigged market. That's why we once enacted some Trust-buster laws which essentially places govt regulation on markets to ensure competition can survive. That's not a "free market", either. We get all kinds of fun and games we have to deal with, like govt.-subsidized foreign producers doing a dump of loss-leader stuff on our markets just long enough to run the competition out of the game, then jacking their prices up sky-high.

I'd call it a "free market" if we imposed tariffs on imports to match sub-human wage scales abroad, plus the expense of our businesses living by environmental regulations and social/welfare taxes here. Otherwise it's not a "fair" playing field.

It's the same kind of thing with businesses that gratuitously label everyone "management" and require unpaid overtime to "manage" to stock the shelves.
 
VINYLONE said:
True. But can an argument be made that you're going to pay for it one way or the other? Meaning, you can either pay for it on the front end through wages or on the back end when these folks that are making low wages apply for benefits because they can't make ends meet?
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Absolutely.

We used to have a discussion in this country about how exactly to pay for that, whether minimum wage or tax credits or whatnot. These days the discussion is all yes or no and nobody cares for any practical solutions. They get ignored.
 
fishonjazz said:
I wish I could resist the sweet nectar of Wal-Mart.
I'm just too weak
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The one by my house is full of disgusting humans, terrible employees, LONG LONG lines, and my car was involved in a hit and run last time I was there ( they hit me and left while I was in the store ) Its easy to not go back.
 
babe said:
A free market is a fantasy, too. Size matters a lot in a completion scenario with smaller profit margins, and in brutal market share exercises, like price wars. The little guy get rubbed out. That's not a "free market" in my opinion, it's a rigged market. That's why we once enacted some Trust-buster laws which essentially places govt regulation on markets to ensure competition can survive. That's not a "free market", either. We get all kinds of fun and games we have to deal with, like govt.-subsidized foreign producers doing a dump of loss-leader stuff on our markets just long enough to run the competition out of the game, then jacking their prices up sky-high.

I'd call it a "free market" if we imposed tariffs on imports to match sub-human wage scales abroad, plus the expense of our businesses living by environmental regulations and social/welfare taxes here. Otherwise it's not a "fair" playing field.

It's the same kind of thing with businesses that gratuitously label everyone "management" and require unpaid overtime to "manage" to stock the shelves.
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I agree Free Trade should be tied to the 8 hour work day and a universal 'minimum' minimum wage(probably tied to some index of commodity prices over the previous 5 years)
 
Gameface said:
Okay, so can you list the mom and pop shops you shop at? And the names of the moms and pops?
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I go to Meier's meats for my meat and assorted groceries.

I have Winder Dairy deliver milk, butter, cheese, vegetables ..etc ... to my door.

I go to the neighborhood old guy to change my oil now after Jiffy Lube almost destroyed my car and charges twice as much

I have a neighborhood kid mow my lawn instead of the huge lawn care company that does a lot of my neighbors lawns.

I generally try to eat at local restaurants as much as possible and avoid chains, though sometimes its tough to do.

I drink Uinta Brewery beer for the most part.

I donate to the kids lemonade stands out of principle, because I remember being a kid and how awesome it was to make $5

I go to Target when needed because they at least treat their employees humanely.

I buy fruit from the local stands.

I could go on if I really wanted to think more about my spending habits.
 
Beer said:
The one by my house is full of disgusting humans, terrible employees, LONG LONG lines, and my car was involved in a hit and run last time I was there ( they hit me and left while I was in the store ) Its easy to not go back.
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But teh sweet nectar (low prices, and have everything for one stop shopping, and there is always one close by) doe.
 
fishonjazz said:
But teh sweet nectar (low prices, and have everything for one stop shopping, and there is always one close by) doe.
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After 6 months with no Walmart all I can say is I MISS WALMART!
 
Beer said:
I go to Meier's meats for my meat and assorted groceries.

I have Winder Dairy deliver milk, butter, cheese, vegetables ..etc ... to my door.

I go to the neighborhood old guy to change my oil now after Jiffy Lube almost destroyed my car and charges twice as much
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I don't care where I get my meat. Sausage, peperoni, salami, even wieners I don't care as long as it's clean.

I'm not as close with my neighbors as you are so I have to go to State street to get a lube job.
 
Admittedly, I haven't kept up on this threaf, so forgive me if it has moved away from this topic, but oh well. After my daughter's soccer game on Thursday night we stopped at the Wendy's in Kimball Junction. We ordered four Jr cheeseburgers, four value fries, and two combo meals. The total came to $26. Five of the six burgers were made wrong and we were shorted one order of fries. And they think they deserve $15/hr for that.
 
bigb said:
Admittedly, I haven't kept up on this threaf, so forgive me if it has moved away from this topic, but oh well. After my daughter's soccer game on Thursday night we stopped at the Wendy's in Kimball Junction. We ordered four Jr cheeseburgers, four value fries, and two combo meals. The total came to $26. Five of the six burgers were made wrong and we were shorted one order of fries. And they think they deserve $15/hr for that.
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Some argue that once you start paying them $15/hr they will magically give a ****. I highly doubt that.
 
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