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Planned Parenthood Selling Baby Organs

Hell, I value mother Teresa's life more than donald trumps.
All life has different value.

I value an unwanted zygote in a mothers tummy alot less than I value most outside the womb peoples
 
fishonjazz said:
Hell, I value mother Teresa's life more than donald trumps.
All life has different value.

I value an unwanted zygote in a mothers tummy alot less than I value most outside the womb peoples
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you seem to value live on the evil deeds these people did.
shouldnt u value a fetus live more then cus it has not done a single evil deed.
 
Broncster said:
Have you watched the videos? or are you just watching the edited clips released? There is quite a difference between the two. I put a link to an unbiased source who evaluated the entire video did you look at that?

There is not evidence of anything illegal being done.

But to answer you question No, I have not watched all of the videos but I have watched about half of the unedited videos but its a lot of footage that is pretty boring to watch. The truth seems important to you maybe you should watch the full videos and read an evaluation from a source without an objective or is proving PP guilty of something illegal at all costs more important to you?
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I'm sure I did not watch all the video but I did read the entire evaluation you linked to. The fact that you describe that document as "without an objective" tells me that we will not see eye to eye on this subject. FWIW, my opinion of abortion is similar to Fish. My opinion of what I saw and heard in this video is completely different. It is obvious to me that they are selling for profit. If that's not the case then how come larger, more intact specimens sell for more than smaller "war ravaged" ones? The only answer I can rationalize is because the larger intact specimens are worth more in the marketplace. Can you make an argument showing that these better specimens cost three times as much to process?
 
DutchJazzer said:
you seem to value live on the evil deeds these people did.
shouldnt u value a fetus live more then cus it has not done a single evil deed.
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That's a good point.
 
fishonjazz said:
But I don't think it is all equal.

I value my moms life way more than ted bundy or adolf Hitler
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But at what point during the day are you thinking about choosing one life over the other? All human life is equal aside from personal relationships.
 
All human life is equal. Doesn't matter if their black, blue, Hispanic, Asian, young, old....or your Mom.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm sure I did not watch all the video but I did read the entire evaluation you linked to. The fact that you describe that document as "without an objective" tells me that we will not see eye to eye on this subject. FWIW, my opinion of abortion is similar to Fish. My opinion of what I saw and heard in this video is completely different. It is obvious to me that they are selling for profit. If that's not the case then how come larger, more intact specimens sell for more than smaller "war ravaged" ones? The only answer I can rationalize is because the larger intact specimens are worth more in the marketplace. Can you make an argument showing that these better specimens cost three times as much to process?
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I think you are getting confused with the definition of profit. Profit comes only after operating costs have been covered. It doesn't matter if some specimens may be more valuable for research purposes. Nobody is profiting if this money is simply helping to cover operating costs. Perhaps there's a reason why certain language was edited out, because it doesn't quite conform to the message that was intended here.
 
Cappy_Smurf said:
I think you are getting confused with the definition of profit. Profit comes only after operating costs have been covered. It doesn't matter if some specimens may be more valuable for research purposes. Nobody is profiting if this money is simply helping to cover operating costs. Perhaps there's a reason why certain language was edited out, because it doesn't quite conform to the message that was intended here.
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Presumably the cost of the abortion is already taken care of. Are you saying that we are financing the abortions by selling the carcasses? That is way worse than the impression I had been under before.
 
^I believe the argument that PP has been making is that the money they are selling these specimens for is a direct reflection of the difference in cost of disposing of the specimens rather than preserving them for research. If what Cappy says is true then I think I'm gunna lose my lunch.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm sure I did not watch all the video but I did read the entire evaluation you linked to. The fact that you describe that document as "without an objective" tells me that we will not see eye to eye on this subject. FWIW, my opinion of abortion is similar to Fish. My opinion of what I saw and heard in this video is completely different. It is obvious to me that they are selling for profit. If that's not the case then how come larger, more intact specimens sell for more than smaller "war ravaged" ones? The only answer I can rationalize is because the larger intact specimens are worth more in the marketplace. Can you make an argument showing that these better specimens cost three times as much to process?
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Yes you are right they do have an objective of finding out truth and reporting it to people. They do this with all politicians no matter their side. They are funded so that the public knows what politicians are saying is true or not since it is often too difficult to research as individuals what they are saying due to lack of resources.

I think you are arguing against what the laws are. If you dont like the laws that is a different argument.

It is not illegal for them to recoup the costs of attaining the fetuses and parts as long as they are donated by the mother. The amount they get is going to vary based on its worth to researchers and how hard it is for them to attain those parts.

Here is a quick overview of what was said full video that is not put in the edited part talking about the money difference.

The full video shows that after Nucatola mentions the $30 to $100, she describes how those amounts would be reimbursement for expenses related to handling and transportation of the tissues.
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It is illegal if they are pocketing the money individually or as a group to supplement their personal income or if they are selling fetus's that are not donated. Those two things are not happening.

If you think all fetus's should be thrown in the garbage and not allowed to be used for research that is a different argument. Or if you think abortions should not be allowed that is a different argument.

What PP is doing is not illegal and there is no proof they have done anything illegal.
 
Another funny fact in this forum is that Howard would consider Dutchy as wrong and immoral because he believes the morning after pill is okay and that abortions are okay for rape victims.
 
Howard said:
It's pretty sad that a statement like "all life is equal" is viewed as being self-righteous.
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I dont consider a day old or week old fetus as a life.

Everyone values life on different levels. You yourself said that abortion is okay if it is going to be fatal to the mother. If given a choice to save your wife or child over someone else you would choose your wife or child. It might be nice in theory to say you value all human life the same but push comes to shove and people rank them quickly. All life being equal means animals as well and I assume since you are a strict born again christian you believe God put animals here for you to eat.
 
Broncster said:
I dont consider a day old or week old fetus as a life.

Everyone values life on different levels. You yourself said that abortion is okay if it is going to be fatal to the mother. If given a choice to save your wife or child over someone else you would choose your wife or child. It might be nice in theory to say you value all human life the same but push comes to shove and people rank them quickly. All life being equal means animals as well and I assume since you are a strict born again christian you believe God put animals here for you to eat.
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At minimum if it has a heart beat it's a human life. If you have to physically crush/kill it its a human life. If you have to stop feeding it to kill it it's a human life.
 
Joe Bagadonuts said:
I'm stunned at the reactions of people like Mo who I see as reasonable thinkers. I hope that I am somehow misinterpreting what they are saying. The topic of this discussion is the selling of organs and tissues from aborted infants. It is unquestionably illegal. IMO it does not matter if you believe that the vast majority of what this organization does is good. The fact that they are talking in this way about something they are clearly aware they should not be doing is bad.
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LOL.

Yeah I got it at your first post: you're stunned.

OK.

I too am stunned at some of the things that get posted in various threads. But that's the way things are sometimes. People see things differently.
 
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