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White Chocolate Just Compared Carmello Anthony to Stockton and Malone
- Thread starter Saint Cy of JFC
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Honestly agree with Cy as far as Melo vs Dray but you got really mad fast over something small lol, was there animosity between you two prior to this argument?
Most of it was fake outrage. Like, I wasn't all caps mad like I was typing, but it seemed more fun that way.
Melo is the more skilled player but I do agree that Green translates to wins which makes him more valuable imo.
Stifle Tower
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Voice of reason, although personally, I wouldn't build any team around Melo.
An interesting stat: Karl Malone averaged 25.0 pts/per for his career. Carmelo Anthony is currently at 25.2 pts/per. So remarkably close. Of course, Karl was at that level for many, many more years. Melo would need to score at his current level (and stay healthy) for 8 more seasons to catch Karl in terms of total points.
Hotdog
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Ummm no.
How do you figure?
When Melo left the Nuggets they were still good. So how can you say Melo made them so much better? This year the Knicks were terrible with Melo.
So you can't really say that adding Melo to a team elevates them any more than Draymond would. In fact, I'd argue Draymond would elevate his team more because he does what so few NBA players do. Lots of players can shoot. You don't need Melo for that. What's even the point? It's not like Melo is shooting some crazy good percentages. At least with Draymond, it would elevate ball movement and defense, and his attitude is contagious too. He adds a toughness to a team. Not a whiney it's all me attitude that players hate to play with.
This is why Melo will spend the rest of his career sucking, until he is old and goes and tries to go ring chasing with some real stars. While Draymond had a real role in a team winning the championship.
I disagree with you whole heartedly.
The proof is in the pudding.
It's not like Carmelo left in free agency and they were still good. They got two of their best players in the deal with Melo (Gallinari, Chandler).
Hotdog
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Ya, they swapped him out with some average players and were better off or were at least as good. So what does that say? It says that he doesn't make a big difference at all. You might as well play other players and have them split up his shots, and let them shoot the same percentages or better, while playing better defense, and moving the ball better.
I don't get why this is so hard for people to figure out. Like with Al Jefferson. The guy should have been gone before he even got here, but yet it took a few years to realize he didn't make us any good.
Basketball is so much more than just shooting the ball. The only way I employ a guy who only wants to shoot is if he shoots some ridiculous percentage that I can't duplicate with average players. Otherwise, he better do something else, and do it good. Like play defense, or pass the ball, or rebound. Or really, all of those things.
Stifle Tower
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So can you swap out Green with 2 other very good players and have the GS Warriors be almost as good? I think you probably can. I do agree with Hack that team chemistry is a very important aspect. Also, style of play. Do you run a motion offense or rely on a superstar for a lot of iso's? Jazz rely on a lot of Burke iso's so Melo would be a great fit here (just kidding!).
Carmelo took a team to the conference finals in the West. The dude can play. He's not a scrub. If you swap Carmelo and Green on those Nuggets teams I'm not sure they make the playoffs.