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Will Jazz fans kill the Utah Jazz franchise?

VINYLONE said:
Welcome to Jazz Fanz 2011, where with no evidence, a small contingent of Jazz fans have decided to boo their star point guard.

If done, will this act push Williams in the direction of leaving the team? And if he does leave the team under those pretenses, will any other black player ever want to play on this team again? A team who's fan base turned on their star player in quick fashion. It's obvious that the days of innocent until proven guilty are long gone and now one is tried in the media and on the internets.

Jazz fans as a whole have always felt marginalized by the rest of the league and the sports media world. This much is true. But will that feeling of marginalization be the catalyst for the demise of the franchise as a whole?

The major sports interweb sites have all but blamed Williams without so much as a concrete fact, while the front office, the ownership and the player have all spoke to the contrary. In complete "ironical explosion" fashion, the mainstream sports media which Jazz fans have felt so marginalized by, is now accepted as the truth teller.

Welcome to Utah.
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"Innocent until proven guilty" applies to courts of law, not to public opinion. It's a principle oft quoted but seldom practiced.

That said, I think it's foolish to boo D-Will. He didn't do anything intentionally to drive Sloan away. He and Sloan butted heads, but so too did Sloan butt heads with Malone and other players over the years, at times likely as bad or worse than with Williams. Sloan appears to have decided that it's not worth it anymore. Sloan's relationship with his players hasn't changed; what's changed is Sloan's willingness to grind through it like he used to.

I don't know whether booing Deron will drive him away, but I can guarantee that as a franchise we we will be materially worse off without Deron (or without a superstar) than we would be with a slightly used up iconic coach and no Deron.
 
When Deron gets boo'd Vinylone will be like the girl who cried after Justin Bieber got boo'd at the Knicks game

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7X_h-ZIchPs
 
Well this thread really is a mute point and irregardless if DWill is a premadonna.

Okay with that out of the way I was at the game and if he was boo'd I couldn't hear it and on the way in I saw signs made that supported DWill. At the end of the game there was plenty of boo's but that was for the teams lack of anything resembling basketball or hustle not for DWill.
 
* moot
* regardless
* prima donna
 
cowhide said:
This is really at the heart of the DW hate. Many fans will never except the fact that DW is not John Stockton. They are two different players. But to marginalize DW accomplishments is ridiculous.. DW has done some things Stockton never did and vice versa. If the Jazz were to lose DW I am sorry it would set them back a decade before they would be any good. And other thing, Stockton wasn't perfect, he never won a championship, had plenty of turnovers and lost games for the Jazz. Every player does. As the years pass there seems to be Jazz fans that forget the fact that Sloan and Stockton were not perfect while demonizing DW for everything they preceive he does wrong. DW isn't perfect but stop comparing him to a fictional idea of John Stockton.
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Wow, so you marginalized John Stockton instead. You seriously think we'd be set back WHOLE decade if we lost DWILL?? Did we get set back a WHOLE decade when we lost 2 HOF players that can be argued as the best at their position? I like Dwill but if your saying he is better than Stockton, you're worse than a rockets fan. :)
 
Every time we hear from Deron, it's when he is being interviewed by the media. He treats the media like a jerk so it's pretty easy to assume he is a jerk. When you treat people like jerks, and something happens like this, people assume he was being a jerk to Jerry. He is as good as gone when his contract is up. We might as well trade him now while we can still get something for him.
 
Utah and racism - come awn now

I just spent 5 years in Vegas (the melting pot of the nation-nobody is from there). Two black families are among my closest friends that live there. I took one of their kids to a father/sons camp since his dad had to work! My family has also had 5 Japanese exchange students live with us, had the Arab-Muslims from work over for dinner shortly after 9/11, and fed dinner to many Weber State football players of various minority backgrounds. I could go on.

Stereotypical comments about huge groups of people without a SOLID link are in terribly bad taste!

Yes there are racists in Utah, but not an abnormal amount, and it is definitely not playing a part in how Dwill is treated any more than it would in any other state.

In the words of a famous black man:
...but you don't have to take my word for it.
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Here is the top hit when searching 'utah racism'
https://www.city-data.com/forum/utah/50912-utah-racist.html
If you pay attention to comments from minorities that have live in or visited Utah, it's pretty spot on.

Here is the only poll I could find: (I admit its from a non-credible source)

[+] ballot by Kentucky_Yankee
ACTIVE Feb 24,2005 - Fri Feb 24, 06
Alabama...................................167
Mississippi.................................165
Texas.......................................115
Massachusetts............................54
Illinois........................................41
California....................................40
Georgia......................................39
South Carolina.............................34
the state with the most black in it..33
Virginia.......................................30
New York....................................25
Ohio...........................................25
Florida........................................22
Kentucky....................................22
Louisiana.....................................21
Indiana.......................................19
Pennsylvania...............................19
Arkansas....................................17
Idaho.........................................17
Utah..........................................17
Michigan.....................................16
Tennessee..................................16
Missouri......................................15
Wisconsin...................................14
West Virginia...............................13
Maryland....................................11
Vermont.....................................10
Minnesota....................................8
Montana......................................8
North Carolina...............................8
Confusion.....................................8
Connecticut..................................7
Maine..........................................7
Nebraska......................................7
New Hampshire..............................7
New Jersey...................................7
Wyoming......................................7
Arizona........................................6
Colorado......................................6
Hawaii.........................................6
Kansas.........................................6
Oklahoma......................................6
Washington...................................6
puerto rico....................................6
Iowa............................................5
The Good Ones..............................5
Denial...........................................5
Alaska..........................................4
Oregon.........................................4
Nevada........................................3
North Dakota................................3
Rhode Island.................................3
South Dakota................................3
Delaware......................................2
New Mexico..................................2
Bliss............................................0
Ignorance.....................................0
Not a State but Wash. D.C..............0
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https://www.bestandworst.com/r/68610.htm

/rant
 
We also have to realize this is a big deal to Jazz fans and they really don't know how to react and are searching for answers and scapegoats. It's gonna take a while for people to settle down, and fans will be emotionally charged and sometimes irrational as they sort through this.

I'm not saying there aren't consequences to it, but I think its one of those things that can only be healed with time. (and wins--but the players need to digest it as well, thank goodness for the all-star break!)
 
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