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Archie Moses said:
1. Sperm is a living organism and unable to reproduce. In other words, it's not a "life."

2. Regardless of what one knows or to science, I'm not sure how mocking others, for what you perceive is a logic fallacy in terms to "human life," helps pro or anti-abortion opinions. I only say that because it's something I've learned myself from this thread.
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You also have a tiny dick. Man, the things you can learn on JF!
 
♪alt13 said:
I had a gf tell me that once. I told her it wasn't about the size of the ship it was the motion of the ocean that mattered. She said I made her sea sick.
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When the seas get choppy you want more than a little dingy to bring you back to the harbour.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I don't fault people for valuing life and wanting to protect it, nor typically would I mock them for this (unless they were some fanatical nut job), but what I've learned myself from this thread, and observation of this debate, is that pro-life folks tend to have a very, very strong reluctance to acknowledge that the pro-choice side has a principle-based aversion to empowering the state (abbetted and enabled by its conservative Christian allies) to impose its will on the most private, intimate choices that a woman makes about her own body and reproductive choice. It would be useful if we could have some meeting in the middle and go from there, but, alas, this rarely happens with such an emotionally charged issue.

I would add that, once again, social conservatives are fighting a losing battle. Similar to other key issues related to expansion of rights and freedoms which social/religious conservatives have opposed (e.g., civil rights, gay rights, women's rights), they are on the losing side of history and are now relegated to fighting a rear-guard action.
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invoking "history" as authoritative is unconvincing. When history is no longer being re-written to satisfy the ever-shifting human ego, or the next wave of propagandists, there will be no more humans.

If only a human embryo had so many chances. . . . .

And, actually, unlike most Christian believers, I consider it probable that God will try again and again to get his people into mortality, so far as there is need, so I don't grieve the babes unborn as much as I grieve the self-assured sophists of "progress" who in fact are going backwards on human values. Little anyone can do about people determined to destroy their own future. Our kids are our future, as every liberal will elsewhere proclaim when necessary to secure unlimited funding for statist propaganda intended to create a feudalist future of unthinking political correctness.
 
babe said:
nah.

life has just begun.
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But scientifically speaking, did it begin when Howantler's decided to preach to us all from his white studded mount, or when Framer rolled up in his jacked up deisel blasting Metallica's "Holier than thou"? Personally, I believe the thread was considered sentient the moment Archie decided to go after Moe, just because she's a Bulls fan and voted for Blogoyovitch (or whatever his name was).
 
TroutBum said:
But scientifically speaking, did it begin when Howantler's decided to preach to us all from his white studded mount, or when Framer rolled up in his jacked up deisel blasting Metallica's "Holier than thou"? Personally, I believe the thread was considered sentient the moment Archie decided to go after Moe, just because she's a Bulls fan and voted for Blogoyovitch (or whatever his name was).
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Life consists of various processes, some building and some disintegrating. You can't have the steak without having a little poop. . . . . or a big one, perhaps.
 
TroutBum said:
But scientifically speaking, did it begin when Howantler's decided to preach to us all from his white studded mount, or when Framer rolled up in his jacked up deisel blasting Metallica's "Holier than thou"? Personally, I believe the thread was considered sentient the moment Archie decided to go after Moe, just because she's a Bulls fan and voted for Blogoyovitch (or whatever his name was).
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low blow, bro.
 
Howard said:
I would argue there's a difference between non Christ-like actions and murder. I'm not sure your exact stance on abortion, but it seems like you agree it's a life form and that it's being killed. Now I disagree with a lot of things, but I can't legislate my morality on our nation or other corporations. One morality that we have legislated is murder, we tend to frown upon that. Fwiw, I also disagree with the death penalty.

Anyways, you're avoiding what I'm saying. You're tolerating something you disagree with, murder, so that people have the right to do what they want. On one hand, commendable for being "tolerant". On the other, abhorrent for remaining silent on an issue that is literally killing people. Honestly, if we as people can't be emotional about this subject, but we can be emotional about a lion getting killed, then we have failed as a country and as people.

In summary, you comparing this to other non Christ like actions is the disingenuous argument. I don't agree with drunkeneness but you don't see me trying to start the prohibition here. I just can't get down with legalized murder, which is why I disagree with abortion and the death penalty, and think those are things that we can, and should legislate, and should be vocal about.
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I just don't think that prohibiting abortions is going to stop abortions, plain and simple.

I think it's much more important to look at, and address the social factors that are leading to the ballooning abortion rates. This is the real problem. America needs a revamped sex Ed curriculum mandated nation-wide (or at least necessitate that every state has one), and the socioeconomic factors that lead to abortion in certain communities need to be addressed.
 
dalamon said:
I think it's much more important to look at, and address the social factors that are leading to the ballooning abortion rates. This is the real problem. America needs a revamped sex Ed curriculum mandated nation-wide (or at least necessitate that every state has one), and the socioeconomic factors that lead to abortion in certain communities need to be addressed.
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Abstinence only sex ed is the only true option.
 
moevillini said:
I think it says a lot about you that you pick my post to be the one you say is mocking when there are several others - both before and after mine - that are similar in tone.

It's OK for the guys to be irreverent but not the girls? Seems like you're applying a double standard,
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I picked yours because it was the last one I saw and didn't think twice as to whom I'd respond to.
Plus, I thought I did a good job at not being a dick in it and shared something I've personally learned in the thread.
Maybe being Mr. Nice guy just isn't for me.
 
jimmy eat jazz said:
I don't fault people for valuing life and wanting to protect it, nor typically would I mock them for this (unless they were some fanatical nut job), but what I've learned myself from this thread, and observation of this debate, is that pro-life folks tend to have a very, very strong reluctance to acknowledge that the pro-choice side has a principle-based aversion to empowering the state (abbetted and enabled by its conservative Christian allies) to impose its will on the most private, intimate choices that a woman makes about her own body and reproductive choice. It would be useful if we could have some meeting in the middle and go from there, but, alas, this rarely happens with such an emotionally charged issue.

I would add that, once again, social conservatives are fighting a losing battle. Similar to other key issues related to expansion of rights and freedoms which social/religious conservatives have opposed (e.g., civil rights, gay rights, women's rights), they are on the losing side of history and are now relegated to fighting a rear-guard action.
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Except, I've acknowledge your issue a bunch of times throughout the thread.
 
TroutBum said:
But scientifically speaking, did it begin when Howantler's decided to preach to us all from his white studded mount, or when Framer rolled up in his jacked up deisel blasting Metallica's "Holier than thou"? Personally, I believe the thread was considered sentient the moment Archie decided to go after Moe, just because she's a Bulls fan and voted for Blogoyovitch (or whatever his name was).
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Actually, I went after her because she is an inferior woman and I don't take no orders from no woman.
 
dalamon said:
I just don't think that prohibiting abortions is going to stop abortions, plain and simple.
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Yep
Make abortions illegal and only the criminals will have abortions.
 
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