Sanders starting to kick some HC... whatever

[Dr. Jones]

Don't worry, none of your large scale, real estate development welfare is going anywhere anytime soon. Yer good, bruh.

Which portions of your real estate endeavors would you classify as corporate welfare?

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Which portions of your real estate endeavors would you classify as corporate welfare?

Nearly every tax increment involved project I would consider a welfare project, with a few exceptions.

 

[Deleted member 848]

This is what baffles me when people focus so much on the wealth gap. Why does wealth gap matter? Maybe it matters, but not because regular folks are starving to death while ultra wealthy people are the only people with access to proper food, shelter and clothing.

it matters because it is probably the strongest correlate to tens of societal problems, particularly in the context of public health (which is my realm of expertise). That is why I'm quite passionate in terms of addressing it.

 

[Deleted member 848]

There used to be a saying 'if it's not broke don't fix it'. That has been replaced with PR/PC 'everything is broke and we need to fix it'. The unfortunate thing with education is the fix it felix crowd don't know a damn thing about child education and are the ones breaking it trying to fix it.

smh.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Nearly every tax increment involved project I would consider a welfare project, with a few exceptions.

By tax increment are you referring to long term capital gains vs. ordinary income?
1031's?

Just trying to understand your definition as it's a subjective thing.

 

[Deleted member 848]

ThEm PCes complaynng abt evrythng!!! LEev US ALONE

 

[Deleted member 848]

1) Siro saying "We're taking measures to slow down climate change" is really a rather-misleading point. Again, posters in this thread like to approach issues in a binary manner-- addressing climate change, or inhibiting economic growth for the sake of worker welfare are not binary issues. There is a spectrum of what can be done-- and it's important that we constantly use our creativity to try and hit the perfect balance on as many issues as possible. While exhausting, it is necessary
2) this conception of America "not having any problems and PCs complaining about nothing" is simply rooted in privilege and narrow-mindedness, and is representative of why these problems have gone unchecked for so long in American society
3) The unwillingness for Americans to look to other countries' political actions (probably out of pride) for inspiration is rather hilarious, seeing as the very fabric of the nation's constitution was largely inspired by the ideas and systems of other nations. This self-sufficiency mindset is utterly non-American and will only damage the nation in the coming centuries

 

[Deleted member 848]

You have a very naive view of how worldwide economics work.

a very compelling argument/statement. Nothing asserts your intelligence quite like telling someone "well ur dumb!"

Oh good grief. We have more than enough food.

Speaking anecdotally, as per usual (it's the soc-con way). There are millions of Americans that do not have access to fresh produce on a consistent basis, and it leads to health disparities with potential to bankrupt your health care system. Look up the studies yourself if you don't believe me.

But fine, lets say we eliminste some choices. We'll get rid of Honda here. Bye bye thousands of jobs for salesmen, manufacturers and mechanics. Yay for less choice! That should really help even out incomes.

While we're at it, we better eliminate organic foods as a choice. No health benefit, less efficient growing, and more expensive. Truly the food of the wealthy, and not the poor. Eliminate that choice too.

Another archetypical symptom of the soc-con mindset: a pure inability to think in non-binary means.

Also funny seeing how pro-choice you are all the sudden

note how choice isn't all one and the same, and how simplifying and polarizing discussions is a tool for the simpletons.

 

[BabyPeterzz]

By tax increment are you referring to long term capital gains vs. ordinary income?
1031's?

Just trying to understand your definition as it's a subjective thing.

Tax Increment Financing? TIF? Municipal redevelopment areas created to generate tax increment, from local taxing entities, to incentivize real estate development, expansion and job creation. Familiar yes?

Edit: local tax incentive, not fed.

 

[Dr. Jones]

Tax Increment Financing? TIF? Municipal redevelopment areas created to generate tax increment, from local taxing entities, to incentivize real estate development, expansion and job creation. Familiar yes?

Edit: local tax incentive, not fed.

Yes.
Why do you consider it "welfare."

 

[BabyPeterzz]

Yes.
Why do you consider it "welfare."

It's direct tax revenue contributed to projects that would most likely pencil otherwise. It's essentially a handout to developers to attract their projects. Our tax code has made community and economic development a race to the bottom, and developers are reaping the benefits while city's and school districts hope and pray that they bring the long term benefit and tax revenue down the road.

It's a great tool for struggling communities to attract investment. But regardless, it's a handout aka "welfare".

 

[RandyForRubio]

a very compelling argument/statement. Nothing asserts your intelligence quite like telling someone "well ur dumb!"



Speaking anecdotally, as per usual (it's the soc-con way). There are millions of Americans that do not have access to fresh produce on a consistent basis, and it leads to health disparities with potential to bankrupt your health care system. Look up the studies yourself if you don't believe me.



Another archetypical symptom of the soc-con mindset: a pure inability to think in non-binary means.

Also funny seeing how pro-choice you are all the sudden

note how choice isn't all one and the same, and how simplifying and polarizing discussions is a tool for the simpletons.

Cool, you used some big buzz words, but you failed to address anything, per usual. Explain what you're going to do about the loss of jobs that come with loss of choice. And you and I both know the little jab about pro-choice was unnecessary and irrelevant. I'm pro-choice when it comes to jobs/business. When you consider something murder, it doesn't leave much room for choice. Now you probably haven't experienced this yet, but my father and I constantly have to deal with beaurecrats tell us how to run our business/manage our land. They even try to make laws to "help" us. Now unfortunately most of these people don't exactly know a lot about what they think they do, and just make things more difficult and more expensive, which makes it harder to make a profit, which makes it harder to pay employees well. You see, there's a bit of a trickle effect.

As for fresh produce, I too wish that we could all eat fresh produce. Some people grow gardens to help with that, btw. Even then, in certain places where the growing season only lasts 3 months, it's hard to get fresh produce for a decent price. Even I don't eat fresh produce year round. Anyways, our variety of choices leads to CHEAPER prices. Anyways, how do you expect to get enough fresh produce to the entire nation for a cheap price, when not that many states can grow produce year round, and one of the main states that does is having a water crisis? What is your solution Dala? Cut out the buzz words and actually try to get a logical point across, please and thank you. You're too smart to argue like this.