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They also don't have lax gun laws.
Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up
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Hotdog
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franklin is a 100 times more sincere in his debates, and actually provides insight.
You on the other hand only provide garbage to burn.
There are already buy back programs all over the country. Many police departments have them.
Also the gov, could ban the sale of firearms (they wont because but I digress) but that won't solve the problem. There will be, as I have mentioned before, a dramatic increase in gun trafficking over the southern border and a dramatic increase in home made firearms (already exists).
Will the number of over all weapons go down? I think so. But I don't think by a big enough number to truly make a difference.
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send me more angry PMs pls. In the mood for another laugh.
Hotdog
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Post some more selfies please. I'm in the mood for a good laugh too.
You keep trying to look at it in a vacuum. But like everything else it doesn't exist in a vacuum.
Any part of a successful gun banning would have to have secure borders to stop the flow of future weapons.
Are we suddenly talking about two miracles?
I still think it's very different than the incidents listed in that chart, for instance. I'm not sure where the line is drawn, but I think for something to be considered a "mass shooting" there has to be more than 2 victims (OK, well I guess this has 3 including the woman being interviewed who was not mortally wounded)
I also think it's different because he picked specific targets and knew his victims, they were his co-workers. They were not just random people who happened to be in a certain place that he was targeting.
just heard something on the radio (missed the full story) that this killer, Vester Flanagan (?), sent a "manifesto" to ABC News that cites the recent Charleston, SC shooting as a tipping point, and also mentions he admires the Columbine and Va Tech shooters
https://abcnews.go.com/beta/US/shooting-alleged-gunman-details-grievances-suicide-notes/story?id=33336339
I don't know about that. But I'm sure efforts directed at battling poverty, improving education and providing better employment opportunities for underprivileged communities, reforming the prison system to provide rehabilitation instead of retribution, ending the war on drugs, and so on and so forth, would work a million times better than a shallow bandaid solution like banning guns. But it's just hard.
He hasn't brought a legitimate argument to the table about ANYTHING in at least 3 months.
So we both agree it's not a mass shooting.
RJF
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Because homeytennis is a douchenozzle?
Mental health, lack of professional/educational opportunity, single parent households, gangs, drug addiction(and the associated risks to support the habit), glamorization of violence, mental health, hate groups, that's just off the top of my head.
I absolutely agree. That is what I have been arguing.
A ban on guns wont fix anything.
Securing the border, improved mental health resources, banning guns, improving education and opportunity in the inner cities, prison reform...now that will address the problem. I originally posted a bunch of contributing causes.
Just choosing just any one of them as the cure to gun violence strikes me as irrational and foolishly doomed to failure.
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Glamorization of violence is simply a facile argument. Otherwise this trend would be the opposite.
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Glamorization of violence is simply a facile argument. Otherwise this trend would be the opposite.
Also, glamour of violence is equally impacting Canada and the US. Why the difference?
Glamorization of violence is simply a facile argument. Otherwise this trend would be the opposite.
Dude this is a terrible argument.
What is it with people trying to act like any single part of this exists in a vacuum?
Am I the only one that thinks that is absurd?
One can absolutely use that very graph against you. If gun control was the solution then that trend would be the opposite.
Jesus man! c'mon! /Sebastian
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it's a response to those who think that music, video games, or movies are leading to increased gun violence. This graph deconstructs that notion.
Glamorization of violence is a meaningless argument. Have you ever seen a Korean movie? An average of 200 people are savagely slaughtered every 5 minutes. And yet, they have a very low rate of violence in real life. Same with Anime.
But media coverage of mass shootings is almost certainly a contributor to increased mass shootings. After all, mass shooting is a form of terrorism. The whole point is getting attention.
Sick burn, bro. Sick burn.
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But seriously... Franklin was good once upon a time. I legitimately enjoyed his opinion, even though it contradicted mine most of the time. But then either he got lazy, or played all his cards out... maybe his husband is leaving him, who knows. All I know is now he's just a shadow of his former self, cowering amongst old ideas and making sure there's not enough light(at least in his field of vision) for any other possible way to look at something than what he wants to exist.
Dalamong's ideas are ultra liberal in Utah terms, likely just common liberal outside of Utah. But the fact that he's willing to debate other possibilities instead of immediately closing the book when his arguments are countered with fact make him a far better poster; likely a far better person too.