Sorry gun advocates, you'll just have to suck it up

[Stoked]

Glamorization of violence is simply a facile argument. Otherwise this trend would be the opposite.

Dude this is a terrible argument.

What is it with people trying to act like any single part of this exists in a vacuum?

Am I the only one that thinks that is absurd?

One can absolutely use that very graph against you. If gun control was the solution then that trend would be the opposite.

Jesus man! c'mon! /Sebastian

 

[Deleted member 848]

Dude this is a terrible argument.

What is it with people trying to act like any single part of this exists in a vacuum?

Am I the only one that thinks that is absurd?

One can absolutely use that very graph against you. If gun control was the solution then that trend would be the opposite.

Jesus man! c'mon! /Sebastian

it's a response to those who think that music, video games, or movies are leading to increased gun violence. This graph deconstructs that notion.

 

[Siro]

Also, glamour of violence is equally impacting Canada and the US. Why the difference?

Glamorization of violence is a meaningless argument. Have you ever seen a Korean movie? An average of 200 people are savagely slaughtered every 5 minutes. And yet, they have a very low rate of violence in real life. Same with Anime.

But media coverage of mass shootings is almost certainly a contributor to increased mass shootings. After all, mass shooting is a form of terrorism. The whole point is getting attention.

 

[Harambe]

I know!

Dalamon sucks!

Sick burn, bro. Sick burn.

LAWL

But seriously... Franklin was good once upon a time. I legitimately enjoyed his opinion, even though it contradicted mine most of the time. But then either he got lazy, or played all his cards out... maybe his husband is leaving him, who knows. All I know is now he's just a shadow of his former self, cowering amongst old ideas and making sure there's not enough light(at least in his field of vision) for any other possible way to look at something than what he wants to exist.

Dalamong's ideas are ultra liberal in Utah terms, likely just common liberal outside of Utah. But the fact that he's willing to debate other possibilities instead of immediately closing the book when his arguments are countered with fact make him a far better poster; likely a far better person too.

 

[Hotdog]

Dude this is a terrible argument.

What is it with people trying to act like any single part of this exists in a vacuum?

Am I the only one that thinks that is absurd?

One can absolutely use that very graph against you. If gun control was the solution then that trend would be the opposite.

Jesus man! c'mon! /Sebastian

I agree.

Repped Stoked

 

[Stoked]

it's a response to those who think that music, video games, or movies are leading to increased gun violence. This graph deconstructs that notion.

It also argues against a gun ban then. Violent crime is going down and America doesn't have a gun ban. If a gun ban was needed then violent crime would be increasing. Deconstructed.

 

[Deleted member 848]

Glamorization of violence is a meaningless argument. Have you ever seen a Korean movie? An average of 200 people are savagely slaughtered every 5 minutes. And yet, they have a very low rate of violence in real life. Same with Anime.

But media coverage of mass shootings is almost certainly a contributor to increased mass shootings. After all, mass shooting is a form of terrorism. The whole point is getting attention.

100%-- i mentioned this earlier as well.

 

[moevillini]

well at least nobody is blaming gay marriage - the recurring blame that's given to single-parent households in this thread is sad...

Not to disparage the arguments that we need to combat poverty and have more employment opportunities, improved educational opportunities, family stability, better mental health services etc. etc. etc. because we do - but I'm not sure how much different we are in those factors than many other developed countries.

Other factors are at play that make this a bigger problem in our country than in other countries. Some have to do with our gun laws, some with aspects of our national culture and all sorts of other issues.

 

[Deleted member 848]

well at least nobody is blaming gay marriage - the recurring blame that's given to single-parent households in this thread is sad...

Not to disparage the arguments that we need to combat poverty and have more employment opportunities, improved educational opportunities, family stability, better mental health services etc. etc. etc. because we do - but I'm not sure how much different we are in those factors than many other developed countries.

Other factors are at play that make this a bigger problem in our country than in other countries. Some have to do with our gun laws, some with aspects of our national culture and all sorts of other issues.

while the rates of single parenthood may be comparable, it's the support-systems instituted by governments to support single-parent families that differs between nations, and therefore can act as a social determinant of everything from illness to delinquency. I figure that's what people are getting at.

 

[Hotdog]

Sick burn, bro. Sick burn.

LAWL

But seriously... Franklin was good once upon a time. I legitimately enjoyed his opinion, even though it contradicted mine most of the time. But then either he got lazy, or played all his cards out... maybe his husband is leaving him, who knows. All I know is now he's just a shadow of his former self, cowering amongst old ideas and making sure there's not enough light(at least in his field of vision) for any other possible way to look at something than what he wants to exist.

Dalamong's ideas are ultra liberal in Utah terms, likely just common liberal outside of Utah. But the fact that he's willing to debate other possibilities instead of immediately closing the book when his arguments are countered with fact make him a far better poster; likely a far better person too.

I don't agree. When he's proven wrong with facts, he just needs stfu. Nah mean?

Facts are facts. You can't beat facts.

I know that for a fact!!

 

[Deleted member 848]

100%-- i mentioned this earlier as well.

which is a massive factor to what I think is a positive feedback-loop of mass murders. 2015 is a watershed moment. I'm predicting that 2016 will be worse if the status-quo is maintained.

 

[RJF]

I think it bears repeating again here that very few, if any, 'Liberals' are advocating for banning or outlawing guns (at least handguns, types of assault rifles, or other high powered weapons are a different story), but more advocating for reasonable precautions, such as background checks, waiting periods, etc., none of which interfered with the rights of law abiding citizens to own guns, but which only impose a minor inconvenience when purchasing them. By the way, a majority of NRA members also support such reasonable laws--the NRA itself is badly out of touch with its rank and file members in its policy advocacy, which drives home the point that the NRA doesn't care all that much about its members, it cares about the gun manufacturers that it represents. Their interests, and their interests alone, drive the NRA's extreme positions--extreme by its own members standards.
So, unless you want to call rank and file NRA members all "liberals', this is not a liberal conservative issue, but, in my view, more of a reasonable person vs. fanatic issue, and the fanatics are winning.

Already exist.