Unpasteurized milk is banned by federal government but is allowed in certain states (but it is not allowed to cross state lines/ interstate commerce clause.) You can buy raw milk in Utah, there was an outbreak associated with it earlier this year.
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Unpasteurized milk is banned by federal government but is allowed in certain states (but it is not allowed to cross state lines/ interstate commerce clause.) You can buy raw milk in Utah, there was an outbreak associated with it earlier this year.
Whole bunch of talk here... unlike other subjects, I'm not educated enough in this subject to make a claim in the grand stage of should all be or not.
But I can speak from a cooking perspective: when your dish/salad/whatever only calls for a few ingredients, especially if uncooked, organic is the choice. And, usually, it's not even close.
Example; Caprese salad. Organic Tomato and Basil, respectable cheese, and top shelf olive oil and balsamic, S&P. Five substantive items, uncooked. Simple, elegant, delicious. Will be good with non-organic vegetables, but the difference in taste is worth the price.
Making a stew? no one's going to notice the difference between organic carrots and potatoes, why pay the premium?
I feel like there's room in, and need for both organic and non in this world.
But I can speak from a cooking perspective: when your dish/salad/whatever only calls for a few ingredients, especially if uncooked, organic is the choice. And, usually, it's not even close.
Example; Caprese salad. Organic Tomato and Basil, respectable cheese, and top shelf olive oil and balsamic, S&P. Five substantive items, uncooked. Simple, elegant, delicious. Will be good with non-organic vegetables, but the difference in taste is worth the price.
Making a stew? no one's going to notice the difference between organic carrots and potatoes, why pay the premium?
I feel like there's room in, and need for both organic and non in this world.
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I'd like to give some input on this because I've read widely on it.
It is very controversial because you have scientists on both sides of the fence. I tend to side with the organic position. The increase in cancer worldwide, especially among young people, is mainly the result of diet (but also other toxic chemicals being released into the environment) -- read The Secret History of the War on Cancer by Devra Davis, an epidemiologist who worked for the National Academy of Sciences and studied the causes of cancer.
Then there is the whole issue of GMOs that breed crops that are resistant to pesticides and herbicides -- yet there are scientists saying it allows less use of chemicals (hard to believe that) or they say organic farmers use "natural" pesticides (they, being the scientists working for Monsanto). The organic farmers will tell you that GMO cultivation destroys the soil and that a few weeds are good for the ecosystem. Who do you believe the organic farmers or Monsanto, the company that gave you Agent Orange and host of other toxic chemicals?
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It is very controversial because you have scientists on both sides of the fence. I tend to side with the organic position. The increase in cancer worldwide, especially among young people, is mainly the result of diet (but also other toxic chemicals being released into the environment) -- read The Secret History of the War on Cancer by Devra Davis, an epidemiologist who worked for the National Academy of Sciences and studied the causes of cancer.
Then there is the whole issue of GMOs that breed crops that are resistant to pesticides and herbicides -- yet there are scientists saying it allows less use of chemicals (hard to believe that) or they say organic farmers use "natural" pesticides (they, being the scientists working for Monsanto). The organic farmers will tell you that GMO cultivation destroys the soil and that a few weeds are good for the ecosystem. Who do you believe the organic farmers or Monsanto, the company that gave you Agent Orange and host of other toxic chemicals?
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RandyForRubio
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In regards to cancer and pesticides, read Bruce Ames studies. It makes a ton of sense.
As far as GMO's, they do result in a decrease of pesticides. Pretty brilliant tbh. I would love to hear your case for why/how GMO cultivation is wrecking our soil, that should be pretty interesting.
You make it sound like organic farmers are the bastions of truth and Monsanto is pure evil. The truth lies more in the middle. Organic farmers can make a lot of money, they're not all ideologues. Why do you think so many dropped out and went back to conventional farming when organic prices dropped? Now all of a sudden they're back into organic farming again? Smells like money chasers to me. Anyways, I wouldn't worry about pesticide damage to your body. You're not the one applying it, and most of the toxins in your foods are natural anyways. Chances of a person getting sick from pesticides in their food are incredibly remote. Blame it on the GMO's though.
Stifle Tower
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Are you serious? It takes DECADES to get companies to pull products off the market - and only after the cases can no longer be ignored by the government, drowned out by lobbyists and lawsuits outweigh the profit derived from sales.
I'm not saying all chemical products are harmful, nor are all GMO's bad. We just need to keep abreast of ALL studies because the ones that have found them safe have historically been funded by the very companies behind them, either directly or through foundations which receive major funding by these companies.
lauriandres
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Does it mean that if you own a cow, then you are not even allowed to give milk for free (to friends, neighbours etc.)?
In Estonia thanks to EU even owning a single cow is quite difficult due the regulations that the room for the cow cannot be a random shack, but quite comfortable for the cow. So basically all the poor people in the countryside were thrown under the bus, because it was impossible to give milk to small factories and consuming even with neighbours all that fresh milk is kind of difficult.
RandyForRubio
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I'm not sure what this has to do with what you quoted from me. But honestly, if you're scared of eating BC your food might have pesticides on it, you're missing the point. All foods have a very, very small amount of toxins in them, natural and synthetic (organic foods actually have more toxins in them, believe that was in a study done by Ames). The chances of you getting sick from those are incredibly small. Like, it doesn't happen. Rare.
Well apparently I was wrong, people just can't sell it.
Sounds like a dumb law from the EU. How did you become a jazz fan in Estonia?
I didnt explain that well. The federal government does not allow unpasteurized milk to be introduced into interstate commerce. This means a farmer who lives in Utah cannot sell his unpasteurized milk to neighboring states.
Individual states may or may not allow the distribution of unpasteurized milk within their state. Utah does allow the sale of unpasteurized milk. I'm not sure of the other 49 states, I bet a majority of them allow it.
As far as my take on organic vs conventional, I prefer trace amounts on pesticides to trace amounts of animal filth/e. Coli/Salmonella/etc. Much safer in my opinion.
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NAOS
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you should look into different plant pairings. You can discourage a lot of bugs that way. Also, soil chemistry (and, thus, plant health) is a major factor in vulnerability to bugs.
I hear you, though. I live in a buggy area.... very hard to beat them. I think it several seasons to turn the ship in the right direction -- especially if the land hasn't been utilized for food production in its recent history.