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In reading Jazzfanz it seems like everyone has already given the spot to Tibor or Withey. I think Cooley proved himself in the minutes he got last season. At the worst, he didn't hurt the Jazz on either end. At his best, he was a difference maker rebounding the ball. I don't know anything about Tibor or Withey but I'd like to know what everyone on Jazzfanz who has them picked over Cooley does. I am not trying to argue but trying to learn about why those two are so much better. Thanks for anyone who can respond.
 
TheGobertReport said:
In reading Jazzfanz it seems like everyone has already given the spot to Tibor or Withey. I think Cooley proved himself in the minutes he got last season. At the worst, he didn't hurt the Jazz on either end. At his best, he was a difference maker rebounding the ball. I don't know anything about Tibor or Withey but I'd like to know what everyone on Jazzfanz who has them picked over Cooley does. I am not trying to argue but trying to learn about why those two are so much better. Thanks for anyone who can respond.
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Cooley is probably the worst defender on the team and he fouls at an alarming rate. He is kind of like Kanter with his defensive awareness, but he gives more effort (which mostly just results in hard fouls) and has less length.

I think he can make a NBA roster somewhere though. At worst he goes back to the D-League and dominates some more and gets some more 10 day contracts. Not sure how much sticking power he has though since he really can't finish well.
 
Gobert is the clear starter. Not even debatable. Pleiss will be on the team due to his contract, so his spot is secure.

I think Cooley and Withey will directly compete for that final spot. 3 spots and 4 men. 2 spots and 2 men are secure.
 
Pleiss is clearly better than Cooley, based on what I saw in Eurobasket. The guy has great length and a great shooting touch. I think he shot around 90 % from the FT line during Eurobasket. While he needs more strength, he was not a pushover in the games I saw.

So far as Withey, based on film I have seen, the guy can protect the rim and has good mobility, and he's 7-0. I like Cooley, but don't see how he can beat out either of them. Maybe Withey because I haven't seen enough of him to make a good comparison.
 
In response to the OP, let me just say I like Cooley. While it's true Cooley is a good rebounder, high-effort player and can piss off opponents, he just isn't that skilled in other areas. He is also just 6'9". Pleiss has shown some great offensive skills. Withey is a very good shot-blocker. Both are at least 7'0".

Even with a losing record last season, Utah is now to the point where good players are going to be let go. Case in point is Evans. I loved Jeremy Evans as a player and for his work in the community and with Jr. Jazz. But Utah is just too deep to keep him. And Johnson is likely a training camp casualty - unless Withey (or Millsap) are cut. Johnson could be a decent role player on many teams. But there aren't enough roster spots. This team has incredible depth at every position.
 
TheGobertReport said:
In reading Jazzfanz it seems like everyone has already given the spot to Tibor or Withey. I think Cooley proved himself in the minutes he got last season. At the worst, he didn't hurt the Jazz on either end. At his best, he was a difference maker rebounding the ball. I don't know anything about Tibor or Withey but I'd like to know what everyone on Jazzfanz who has them picked over Cooley does. I am not trying to argue but trying to learn about why those two are so much better. Thanks for anyone who can respond.
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Pleiss is a rookie the Jazz intentionally brought over. Withey is a proven NBA player, a potential defensive presence. Cooley is neither. He's the odd man out.
 
colton said:
Pleiss is a rookie the Jazz intentionally brought over. Withey is a proven NBA player, a potential defensive presence. Cooley is neither. He's the odd man out.
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I think we are going to get a pretty healthy dose of Pleiss this year. Pleiss is a their above both Withey and Cooley. The battle for a spot is between Withey and Cooley and I wouldn't be surprised by either of the getting it. I lean toward Cooley because he can play multiple positions and has put in the time here.
 
Stifle Tower said:
Burke, Neto and Cotton are good depth. All are (or should be, in Neto's case) very good backup PG's. So the depth is there, we just don't have that #1 guy.
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How does that make any sense? None of those guys have PROVEN to be good backups, not one of them. So to say we have good depth when we don't have a starting caliber pg or a proven backup is ridiculous.
 
LjJazzman said:
How does that make any sense? None of those guys have PROVEN to be good backups, not one of them. So to say we have good depth when we don't have a starting caliber pg or a proven backup is ridiculous.
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This.
Stifle is correct that we have great team depth...... But not at the pg position.

Now we could find out that we do indeed have great depth at point guard if these guys turn out to be better than we think, but as of right now we have one crappy pg and two guys we know nothing about really
 
I think Burke has shown that he is a decent back up, Cotton is a great third stringer. So I don't think Stifle is that far off the mark tbh.
 
I love Cooley's personality off the floor and hustle on the floor but I don't think he's good enough at basketball all around to get be ahead of any of our other bigs. He's horrible finishing around the rim, horrible defender, he's undersized for a 5, not mobile enough for either the 4 or the 5. I guess he can rebound and is a big body down low, but I don't think that's enough. I'd take both Pleiss and Withey ahead of him.
 
LjJazzman said:
How does that make any sense? None of those guys have PROVEN to be good backups, not one of them. So to say we have good depth when we don't have a starting caliber pg or a proven backup is ridiculous.
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I think Burke and Cotton both showed they can be decent backups last season. Burke had disappointing %'s, but he compares favorably to most other backups. Cotton came in and ran the team very well. Neto is a bit of an unknown, but did a pretty decent job as a starter in Europe. I think that translates to AT LEAST a decent backup in the league.

I don't have faith in one of them right now being a decent starter. But I do think any of them would be fine playing 10-15 minutes behind a quality starter. So yes, we have 3 backups and no top-tier starter. Certainly better than when we had Watson and Tinsley as our backups.
 
colton said:
Disasters to the depth chart, I think he means. Not financial disasters.
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Yup. Considering this comment:

Lindsey on PGs: "But if we’re not getting the results we want, we have close to $7 million under the cap" to make a move.
— Aaron Falk (@tribjazz) September 28, 2015

I just can't take the list of PG's on the depth chart too seriously. I assume if it reaches a tipping point, it will damage controlled well before its a disaster.
 
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