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PG_AB said:
Unless your dealing with an idiot GM, which Danny Ainge isn't.. There's no way your going to extract the same value from that pick, 4 months after the fact.


Lindsey didn't use a lottery pick on a PF that's 3rd on the depth chart, to then go and panic over the PG position, they've got a plan, they had these scenarios covered since they finalized their draft board.

Devin Booker was certainly good enough for the Jazz to draft with the pick, at relative low risk and high upside, they preferred Trey though. He could also feasibly play some SF and some C too. They were using him and Booker as the bigs at one point. I like that lineup better than Booker and Pleiss.. Trey is very skilled in faceup, makes great passes, he's shown enough flashes IMO in SL and Preseason..

He's got Greg Monroe type of skills plus some, once his jumpers on point, he'll be very dangerous with the ball..
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Let's just be honest. It was a bad pick and we are all desperately hoping he turns out to be decent.

I guarantee he has zero star potential. He's a role player at best. We should have aimed for higher upside.

We all hated the pick for a reason. There is nothing special about him. We'd be a lot better off exploring trades for him. I know that's not going to happen, but neither are any of these other trade ideas. We are all just fantasizing about the Jazz making a trade that will help. I know they won't even think about trading him. But that's just dumb. And in 5 years it will be proven to be the case.
 
NAOS said:
I like the idea of Payne, but....

You say that if the Jazz were going to trade Lyles, then they would have traded that pick on draft day. Why, then, would OKC trade Payne? Both players are in similar positions within their teams: buried on the depth chart. Also, trading Payne for pick(s) does nothing to help them win THIS YEAR, and they're ALL IN.

In other words, I like the idea of Payne, but I don't see much reality in the notion of acquiring him.
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OKC would hang up the phone. And laugh about it, all accounts I've read/heard are they LOVE him.

Lefties(~6%) are even less prevalent in the NBA than the average population(12%).. If it wasn't for D'Angelo Russell I'd say Cameron Payne is the best lefty PG prospect drafted since Brandon Jennings, who had an illustrious HS career.. In limited footage (I watched a few of his games last year down the stretch) I concluded Payne was a lottery pick, and he ended up in the top-10 in my board. Over Justise Winslow IIRC..

I do think it's an interesting move if a Playoff push is to be made. His shot is $$$ some say its flat but if you look at his shooting the ball goes in the hoop, the say way, alot, and he gets/takes good looks, he's got good instincts.. He'd be very useful here..
 
These deals are dumb. If we trade for a point guard it won't be for a prospect. I could see us trading for an established guy.
 
Hack said:
Let's just be honest. It was a bad pick and we are all desperately hoping he turns out to be decent.

I guarantee he has zero star potential. He's a role player at best. We should have aimed for higher upside.

We all hated the pick for a reason. There is nothing special about him. We'd be a lot better off exploring trades for him. I know that's not going to happen, but neither are any of these other trade ideas. We are all just fantasizing about the Jazz making a trade that will help. I know they won't even think about trading him. But that's just dumb. And in 5 years it will be proven to be the case.
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Trey Lyles has the upside of a max player, think Greg Monroe - Trey's more fleet of foot too.. If his shot/functional strength steadily improves, he'll be very dangerous with the ball in his hands - you could even throw him the ball with the shotclock running out and something good will happen..
 
This is a moment when you trade for a steady hand to mind the ship for a bit, not to trade for someone to take Exum's minutes next season.

Our upside this season is making the 7th or 8th seed and getting bounced in round one. That's not the ultimate end goal. You play to the end goal not the short term gain.
 
Sirkickyass said:
This is a moment when you trade for a steady hand to mind the ship for a bit, not to trade for someone to take Exum's minutes next season.

Our upside this season is making the 7th or 8th seed and getting bounced in round one. That's not the ultimate end goal. You play to the end goal not the short term gain.
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Exum is far from a sure thing. He is certainly no good to us if he becomes injury prone. The point guard spot is a huge weakness for us. We need to make sure we get it fixed soon.

We don't need a another big as much as we need a point guard. So maybe putting some of our asset value in the point guard spot might be better than keeping it in another backup.
 
Lyles is a great project as a third big. If he gets 15% stronger and a reliable 3-pt shot, then he's exactly what we need. And neither of those things are unreasonable to expect. I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but I see the upside. You don't dump that for a guy like Rozier. That's bat****.... pardon me, that's hack**** crazy.
 
Lyles has a real lack of rebounding sense that kind of troubles me. I hope it's just because he is overwhelmed physically, because he has the size and quickness to be a good rebounder.
 
NAOS said:
Lyles is a great project as a third big. If he gets 15% stronger and a reliable 3-pt shot, then he's exactly what we need. And neither of those things are unreasonable to expect. I wasn't thrilled with the pick, but I see the upside. You don't dump that for a guy like Rozier. That's bat****.... pardon me, that's hack**** crazy.
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For a guy like Rozier? Do you even have an idea how good he is? It seems like your whole opinion is based off where he was picked.
 
Hack said:
For a guy like Rozier? Do you even have an idea how good he is? It seems like your whole opinion is based off where he was picked.
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I know who he is. And I'm confident we can find a guy like him much easier than we could find another guy with Lyles' upside. ...Look, dude, nobody has supported this trade, so....
 
NAOS said:
I know who he is. And I'm confident we can find a guy like him much easier than we could find another guy with Lyles' upside. ...Look, dude, nobody has supported this trade, so....
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Because that proves its a bad idea.

Go bump every single trade thread from years ago. No matter how good it looks now, they will be filled with a bunch of people not liking it.

Sorry, but majority thought doesn't equal the right thought.
 
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