Grade the Trade

[Miggs]

Gordon Hayward appeared to be getting a too big yo contract. He got the max. It paid off. The exact same thing can happen with Fournier. It would just be a max contract in relation to the salary cap that year. It's no different than any other year.

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The difference is Hayward got one before the cap went up a ton. Fournier would get one at the tailed of that.

 

[Hotdog]

The difference is Hayward got one before the cap went up a ton. Fournier would get one at the tailed of that.

I think Hayward's contract would still be one you could live with even if the cap wasn't going up. So now that it is, we just get a bargain with him. Fournier would be like what Haywards would have been if the cap didn't go up.

Doesn't the cap go up another year after this next one for another jump? That would make Fournier come in at at bargain too later.

 

[Miggs]

I think Hayward's contract would still be one you could live with even if the cap wasn't going up. So now that it is, we just get a bargain with him. Fournier would be like what Haywards would have been if the cap didn't go up.

Doesn't the cap go up another year after this next one for another jump? That would make Fournier come in at at bargain too later.

Without the track record Hayward had. I don't like it.

I'd rather sign two solid bench guys for the same money who know their role and can perform it perfectly.

 

[Hotdog]

Without the track record Hayward had. I don't like it.

Ok

 

[gregbroncs]

Watching the highlights of the Blazers game, I think I underestimated the defensive impact Exum had on opposing PGs. No way Lillard gets those same looks against Exum.

I've been preaching this since last season, Exum defense is seriously under rated on this site. He had a huge impact on last season's success defensively. His length and athleticism give opponent PG's trouble.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

No way id do that trade. F- for the trade value. Fourbnier I watched in Denver , He is soft as tissue and he is putting up numbers for an awful team. One of the worse teams in the league.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

So Lillard can score on most point guards but Exum would of shut him down? lmao .. Some real smart ball people around here. Give redit where credit is du and the fact is Lillard is a top 5 point guard in a league with the best point play EVER(overall). ALso I told yall bozos to select Leonard, Meyers and I was laughed at. Bet yall wish you had him now instead of Favors who has been in the league forqwhat 7 year and we still here he isn't a finished product.lmao. He is what he is just accept it. He a good defender with limited offernsive game. That's not going change

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I guess the basic argument here is that Alec doesn't space the floor, won't take open 3s, slows ball movement and doesn't match our defensive intensity?

Is that the idea?

I still like him for instant offense and think he rebounds a bit.

Burks doesn't stop the ball he either drives right away or swings it. No problem with that part of the game.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burks doesn't stop the ball he either drives right away or swings it. No problem with that part of the game.

Burks takes the highest frequency of his shots while holding the ball 6 seconds or longer. 25% of his shots are while having the ball for 6 seconds or longer. Next highest is Burke at 20% of his shots, Hood at 14%, then Hayward at 10%. So there is something to Burks holding onto the ball for too long.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Burks takes the highest frequency of his shots while holding the ball 6 seconds or longer. 25% of his shots are while having the ball for 6 seconds or longer. Next highest is Burke at 20% of his shots, Hood at 14%, then Hayward at 10%. So there is something to Burks holding onto the ball for too long.

I really don't think it's that big of deal (the 25% thing) if he would increase his catch and shoot %, but his C&S% is extremely low, at 12 percent of his total shots.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

I really don't think it's that big of deal (the 25% thing) if he would increase his catch and shoot %, but his C&S% is extremely low, at 12 percent of his total shots.

There is no way in hell he is as bad at this then Burke and Hood. Burks actually does something with the ball. Half the time it seems like Burke and hood sit at the top of the 3 line and think about what they are going to do then realize they have nothing then reset the offense then go into that Methodical power dribble, and by the time they do something they've had the ball for 15 20 seconds.

That's not Burks game at all plus a tone of his mins are at pg, so he's going to have the ball in his hands a ton. None the less he is very decisive with the ball.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

There is no way in hell he is as bad at this then Burke and Hood. Burks actually does something with the ball. Half the time it seems like Burke and hood sit at the top of the 3 line and think about what they are going to do then realize they have nothing then reset the offense then go into that Methodical power dribble, and by the time they do something they've had the ball for 15 20 seconds.

That's not Burks game at all plus a tone of his mins are at pg, so he's going to have the ball in his hands a ton. None the less he is very decisive with the ball.


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You can look at it on NBA.com

Burks does do better than anyone else when he holds the ball for over 6 seconds, but he holds the ball then shoots more than anyone else (or at least, at a higher rate of his own shots).

Everyone on the team seems to hold the ball too long at the 3pt line, usually after they passed up an open 3, waiting for a pick to come. It's not just a Burks problem, but he does it more than others.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

You can look at it on NBA.com

Burks does do better than anyone else when he holds the ball for over 6 seconds, but he holds the ball then shoots more than anyone else (or at least, at a higher rate of his own shots).

Y point is that's his game. It doesn't stop the offense like hood or Burke.


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[Getting Traded]

That's why Orlando does it. We do it because we are smarter than them and we take the risk and watch it pay off.

Look at OKC giving away Harden for the same dumb reason.

Plain and simple you just have to smarter, luckier, and bolder than the rest to get ahead. Can't be scared and conservative.

Yeah, they gave up the wrong guy -- Harden is a better fit with Durant than Westbrook.

 

[NAOS]

But he put the words in bold and caps and stuff... he must know what he is doing.

Fournier is okay. I like Burks better. Looking at the current salary environment I'd much rather have Burks at his number than whatever Evan will get next year. Lamb got $7M, Ross got $11M, so I think Evan gets like $25M... I'm only kind of kidding.

The AB disrespect is terrible. Also, Burke isn't a throw in for us right now... he is playing good. This trade doesn't work and it sucks.

This. Lock the thread. turrible

 

[Getting Traded]

I really don't think it's that big of deal (the 25% thing) if he would increase his catch and shoot %, but his C&S% is extremely low, at 12 percent of his total shots.

I think one of the reasons his C&S% is so low is because he doesn't have confidence in his shot right now. I keep saying that he just needs to add some follow through to put some arc on his shots and soften how it gets to the rim -- you reading this, Alec. Over concentrate / focus on your follow-through in practice and it will become natural during the games.

 

[Hotdog]

No way id do that trade. F- for the trade value. Fourbnier I watched in Denver , He is soft as tissue and he is putting up numbers for an awful team. One of the worse teams in the league.

So Lillard can score on most point guards but Exum would of shut him down? lmao .. Some real smart ball people around here. Give redit where credit is du and the fact is Lillard is a top 5 point guard in a league with the best point play EVER(overall). ALso I told yall bozos to select Leonard, Meyers and I was laughed at. Bet yall wish you had him now instead of Favors who has been in the league forqwhat 7 year and we still here he isn't a finished product.lmao. He is what he is just accept it. He a good defender with limited offernsive game. That's not going change

Bruh.

Don't you want to get out of the red someday?

I know Jazzfanz is mean to you, but what did I do to you? No need to hate on my trade for no reason

I like Leonard, but you can't possibly think he is better than Favors.

Also, you watched Fournier in Denver? You know people grow and get from their rookie year right?

 

[Hotdog]

This. Lock the thread. turrible

Bruh.

Be a man of your word. I know that's hard for you to do, but please do it this time. You said you were going to put me on ignore. Please don't respond to my threads. Your opinion is not wanted.

 

[gregbroncs]

So Lillard can score on most point guards but Exum would of shut him down? lmao .. Some real smart ball people around here. Give redit where credit is du and the fact is Lillard is a top 5 point guard in a league with the best point play EVER(overall). ALso I told yall bozos to select Leonard, Meyers and I was laughed at. Bet yall wish you had him now instead of Favors who has been in the league forqwhat 7 year and we still here he isn't a finished product.lmao. He is what he is just accept it. He a good defender with limited offernsive game. That's not going change

Did anybody say shut him down? Exum caused serious trouble as a rookie to some seriously good PG's. The argument is that the Jazz missed Exum because Lilliard would have had a much harder time getting those looks against a faster, more athletic and much bigger PG in Exum, because he's also a far superior defender to Neto or Burke.
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Favors is averaging almost 20 PPG this year when he is not forced to leave the game sick. I'll take what Favors is his offensive game is no longer all that limited.

 

[ncoloradojazz]

Did anybody say shut him down? Exum caused serious trouble as a rookie to some seriously good PG's. The argument is that the Jazz missed Exum because Lilliard would have had a much harder time getting those looks against a faster, more athletic and much bigger PG in Exum, because he's also a far superior defender to Neto or Burke.
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Favors is averaging almost 20 PPG this year when he is not forced to leave the game sick. I'll take what Favors is his offensive game is no longer all that limited.

Lillard is beyond superior to Exum, He would of treated him like the youngster he is. SMH