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[Hotdog]

If someone could actually bring some kind of proof that defenses were so much tougher in the 90's, that would be nice.

Just saying hand check rule is pretty weak. Doesn't prove or mean anything.

It's funny how this myth persists. There is no need for it to. We live in an era with access to all sorts of information and video proof. It's pretty easily to take a look back in the past, and see that it's simply not true. The numbers and tape don't lie.

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[Siro]

I was also under the impression that defense was better, and tougher, in the 90s. But Hack makes a compelling point. Both PPG and FG% are a bit lower today than they were in the 90s. Slightly more fouls were called back then on average, and the pace remains about the same. I think it might be skewed perspective by former players hyping the "good ol' days", in addition to things like more fights and such.

 

[addictionary]

How in the hell do you figure that? Its just not true. In the 90's the league point per game average was higher than it is now. How do you explain that if the defense was so much more intense?

Example.

League average pints per game

90 - 107
91 - 106
92 - 105
93 - 105


2012 - 98
2013 - 101
2014 - 100
2015 - 101


It's a complete myth than the defenses were tougher back then. It's an urban legend. You've been duped. You aren't thinking for yourself.

You are keening too much on numbers. I am talking from what I see when I watch games. How can you watch and say this? Have you ever seen Jordan rules in action? It is right there archived on youtube.

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[addictionary]

I was also under the impression that defense was better, and tougher, in the 90s. But Hack makes a compelling point. Both PPG and FG% are a bit lower today than they were in the 90s. Slightly more fouls were called back then on average, and the pace remains about the same. I think it might be skewed perspective by former players hyping the "good ol' days", in addition to things like more fights and such.

It is not solely a good old days thing. You just gotta give a thing its credit. That era was the best to me when I was watching it too. Not only when it became past. I was not going "Jordan is no Magic" or anything. Now people in Europe watch NBA and get bored of the slacky vibe of the games many times except when it gets real.

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[Hotdog]

You are keening too much on numbers. I am talking from what I see when I watch games. How can you watch and say this? Have you ever seen Jordan rules in action? It is right there archived on youtube.

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No. Actually the numbers say exactly what was happening. We are talking about the ability to score. It's a fact that players were able to score more points in the 90's. That's directly related to how good the defense is. You can't just say that you saw something different. It's just not true. How do you explain more points being scored in the 90's if the defenses were so much tougher.

I've watched the 90's too, and I don't see what you see. Give me something better than me supposed to take your word for it.

 

[Siro]

You are keening too much on numbers. I am talking from what I see when I watch games. How can you watch and say this? Have you ever seen Jordan rules in action? It is right there archived on youtube.

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Then how do you explain the numbers? This is like the idea that old people have of younger people getting ruder with each generation. I literally read an Ancient Greek philosopher bitching about it. Reinterpretation of past subjective experience is just not all that reliable.

 

[Siro]

It is not solely a good old days thing. You just gotta give a thing its credit. That era was the best to me when I was watching it too. Not only when it became past. I was not going "Jordan is no Magic" or anything. Now people in Europe watch NBA and get bored of the slacky vibe of the games many times except when it gets real.

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And yet, they're perfectly happy watching a sport where every time you blow on someone they dive 20 feet forward and pretend to be dying for the next few minutes.

 

[addictionary]

No. Actually the numbers say exactly what was happening. We are talking about the ability to score. It's a fact that players were able to score more points in the 90's. That's directly related to how good the defense is. You can't just say that you seen something different. It's just not true. How do you explain more points being scored in the 90's if the defenses were so much tougher.

I've watched the 90's too, and I don't see what you see. Give me something better than me supposed to take your word for it.

I'm not a statistician to prove with numbers. But it is not the same man. Curry is an insane nailer and still you see defenses fail to realize the importance to double him. He misses and his defender goes for rebound. Offensive rebound follows assist to Curry to correct his miss. This is no hell in no way similar to anything they have run on Jordan in general.

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[Hotdog]

It is not solely a good old days thing. You just gotta give a thing its credit. That era was the best to me when I was watching it too. Not only when it became past. I was not going "Jordan is no Magic" or anything. Now people in Europe watch NBA and get bored of the slacky vibe of the games many times except when it gets real.

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You are giving nothing to back up your claims. It's just your opinion.

And yes, it's just a good old days thing.

Same thing will happen after Curry retires. The legend of Curry will be 10x what is now.

 

[addictionary]

And yet, they're perfectly happy watching a sport where every time you blow on someone they dive 20 feet forward and pretend to be dying for the next few minutes.

Haha. Yeah but not every football player is a flopper. It is a really leg breaking sport you know.

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[Siro]

Haha. Yeah but not every football player is a flopper. It is a really leg breaking sport you know.

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I was kidding. I actually love soccer.

Hack may or may not be right, but nobody has presented a compelling counter argument. I am going to side with Hack until someone proposes a better explanation of the numbers.

 

[addictionary]

You are giving nothing to back up your claims. It's just your opinion.

And yes, it's just a good old days thing.

Same thing will happen after Curry retires. The legend of Curry will be 10x what is now.

I hope so. You know, I do not intend to sound like dissing Curry. I am crazy about him. He is insane. Every day I open twitter to see his unreal vine videos. I would love to watch him in Jordan's time and I think he would be really good but his offensive efficiency would drop down with a hand on his body when he rises to make his 3.

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