It is time consider trade Hayward

[The Midnight]

For the most part, it's working. Hayward made a huge jump in year 4 to 5. Favors has made steady progression every year. Burke stalemated in his second year but is looking much improved in his third year. Burks the jury is still out, he's a frustrating player to watch because he has the tools to be a really good player. Kanter was the rawest player in the draft so keeping him 4 years was probably the right thing to do in hope he breaks out. We know how it went down, but doubt he would have fetched more than a mid 1st rounder at any point after his second year.

It's the most prudent approach for sure, especially for a small market. All we can hope for is for us to strike it lucky in the draft 1 year and grab the likes of Tony Parker and Manu Ginobili out of thin air and try to contend. We have a defensive super star in Gobert, I still think we need an instant offensive force to contend.


And if you say "well look at the '04 Pistons", yeah well they had Rip Hamilton who was pretty reliable as well as "Mr. Big Shot" himself who gave them that winning shot whenever they needed it.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

I think the Jazz team is starting to come into focus. Hayward should be a 2nd-option offensive player. Favors should be a 3rd-option offensive player. Gobert is a perennial DPOY-type player, whose offense is a bonus.

For the Jazz as currently constructed to reach their potential, they need to acquire a big-time scorer and #1 option in their backcourt. Exum should always be a good defensive player and ball distributor at the PG spot, and he should become reliable if not spectacular offensively. Gobert and Exum returning give the Jazz their top-5 defensive potential, while the new backcourt scorer to be determined makes the Jazz a top-8 offense.

So the question is --- who is that killer SG going to be? I can understand why the Jazz front office wants to take it slow and not rush into a decision before they have all the information they need. Right now, Burks and Hood look like bench players, as is Trey Burke.

The Jazz have a bunch of picks to keep or trade, but from here they need to hone in on a versatile wing who can really score the ball and hold his own on defense. They need a Jimmy Butler-caliber 2.

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

I think the Jazz team is starting to come into focus. Hayward should be a 2nd-option offensive player. Favors should be a 3rd-option offensive player. Gobert is a perennial DPOY-type player, whose offense is a bonus.

For the Jazz as currently constructed to reach their potential, they need to acquire a big-time scorer and #1 option in their backcourt. Exum should always be a good defensive player and ball distributor at the PG spot, and he should become reliable if not spectacular offensively. Gobert and Exum returning give the Jazz their top-5 defensive potential, while the new backcourt scorer to be determined makes the Jazz a top-8 offense.

So the question is --- who is that killer SG going to be? I can understand why the Jazz front office wants to take it slow and not rush into a decision before they have all the information they need. Right now, Burks and Hood look like bench players, as is Trey Burke.

The Jazz have a bunch of picks to keep or trade, but from here they need to hone in on a versatile wing who can really score the ball and hold his own on defense. They need a Jimmy Butler-caliber 2.

Why in the world is everyone so obsessed with the numbering of "options"?

 

[Miggs]

There's some interesting wing players on the market this summer that combined with Hood could fill the void of Hayward, especially if the Hayward trade returned a trove of future assets.

Lets pretend the 76ers care to improve/revamp their team this year and they traded

Saric, Embiid and some future picks for Hayward. The Jazz could then throw Harrison Barnes the same type of deal the Hornets signed Hayward to.. The oft injured Brad Beal is also RFA too.

Saric could help fill in some of those lost minutes, and some of Trevor Bookers minutes, with Sap and Elijah off the books and the 1st round pick there's room for more reinforcements on the wing too... IMO Burks could play some SF depending on the matchup, so they could go for a SG.

You are such a clown? Yeah let's toss Hayward aside and roll the dice that the Wiz won't match on Beal (which they will) or Saric who is completely unproven or Embiid who is pretty much completely shot.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

We should be open to trading Burks and Burke at some point soon if things don't change. Give Hood another year to improve.

Hayward is one of the few things that is working at this point.

 

[Ferguson_Mellochill]

Why in the world is everyone so obsessed with the numbering of "options"?

Because scoring points is an important part of the game.

 

[Miggs]

Barring a mind-blowing acquisition, I think Hayward and Favors and Gobert are absolute keepers. So is Exum at this point since we'd likely not get fair value for him in a trade. After that, I would list Hood as the 5th guy we should not trade at this point because again, we wouldn't get value back based on what he may likely become.

So far me, Burke and Burks are most tradeable. I haven't watched enough of the games this year but for those who have, is their low +/- a relatively accurate indication of what they've brought to the table? Or is that more of a reflection of our bad bench?

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Barring a mind-blowing acquisition, I think Hayward and Favors and Gobert are absolute keepers. So is Exum at this point since we'd likely not get fair value for him in a trade. After that, I would list Hood as the 5th guy we should not trade at this point because again, we wouldn't get value back based on what he may likely become.

So far me, Burke and Burks are most tradeable. I haven't watched enough of the games this year but for those who have, is their low +/- a relatively accurate indication of what they've brought to the table? Or is that more of a reflection of our bad bench?

Burks is definitely most tradeable. We aren't even using him right and he doesnt fit what Quin wants to do, plus he is pretty underwhelming on defense.

 

[GVC]

Why in the world is everyone so obsessed with the numbering of "options"?

+1. It's entirely unclear to me what this numbering even means. I think it's far more precise/useful to use player roles within an offense: offensive hub, spot-up shooter, pick-and-roll big, garbage man, etc.

 

[Miggs]

+1. It's entirely unclear to me what this numbering even means. I think it's far more precise/useful to use player roles within an offense: offensive hub, spot-up shooter, pick-and-roll big, garbage man, etc.

This. I meant to mention this in my post but I feel I'd prefer to trade Burks and Burke for guys who will have clearly defined roles for us. Say Burks for a Ryan Anderson-type. And Burke for a Korver-type. I'm not saying those are the players I'd specifically target but for me, right now, everyone's roles are sort of muddled. Favors should get more touches. So should Hayward imo. And everyone else should sort of plays their roles and fill in the gaps.

 

[GVC]

This. I meant to mention this in my post but I feel I'd prefer to trade Burks and Burke for guys who will have clearly defined roles for us. Say Burks for a Ryan Anderson-type. And Burke for a Korver-type. I'm not saying those are the players I'd specifically target but for me, right now, everyone's roles are sort of muddled. Favors should get more touches. So should Hayward imo. And everyone else should sort of plays their roles and fill in the gaps.

Burks is turning into an ok spot-up shooter. Unfortunately, he's yet to really harness his driving ability effectively -- which would make him a decent safety valve in late shot clocks when the offense breaks down -- and his defense is still spotty. With their suspect feel/passing, and decent ability to get their own shots (even if they don't hit them all that often), Burke and Burks is a decent bench duo (a bit like Toronto's Williams-Vasquez duo from last season, albeit not as good). Booker and Lyles have been mostly terrible coming off the bench this season, which is the real problem.

 

[gregbroncs]

Hayward is a very good player, and I don't think we can find a plausible trade that gives us anywhere near as much value back. Maybe Favors + picks for Cousins would work, since he's always in trade rumors.

**** that! My days as a Jazz fan would end the day that trade was announced.