Or is it the "Fox guarding the Hen House?"

[jimmy eat jazz]

I've made countless threads criticizing religion since I joined these forums. Most recently, I made a thread suggesting a negative correlation between faith and intelligence. MVP pretty much only makes negative posts about religion. And yet, we're all still here.

You're offended by this. Other will be offended by other things. Maybe "steortyping" of Republicans or Democrats. Maybe casting all Americans in a negative light. Let's not play that game.

I've made probably as many posts criticizing religion as you have. There is, for example, a difference in saying that LDS beliefs are weird and non-sensical (which I think many of them are), and saying that LDS people are dupes, fools, uncritical sheep, dishonest, or go on down the line until it gets very nasty and personal. In the same way, criticizing Muslim beliefs is one thing (and I think many of them are stupid and/or dangerous), but essentially impugning the character of hundreds of million of people and attributing to them ill-intentioned stereotypes is another thing.

I'm just wondering out loud what the policy is here about where the line is and when/if this line gets crossed, what is done about it.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

So what is your viewpoint?

I think he's made that pretty clear.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

The policy is fine as it is. Let's not start censoring opinions that we disagree with.

So there's a policy?

If something clearly doesn't cross a line (and I conceded that it's hard to draw lines here (like the one Supreme Court Justice said about ponography, "I can't define it, but I know it when I see it, although I suspect that plenty would disagree that he can identify it so well), then I agree, better to err on the side of free and open language.

 

[Stoked]

For the record I vehemently disagree with CJ on his posts.

But as long as he is not inciting violence, insulting others (not the same as offending), breaking board rules of becoming obscene with his posts I do not agree with censoring him. Despite me strongly disagreeing with him.

Now if you feel his posts merit a penalty/punishment please report them and explain the specific part you disagree with. He will be judged by the same board rules and if found to have violated them action will be taken.

But I share your disdain for CJs posts.

 

[carolinajazz]

So what is your viewpoint?

First of all, let me point out that my original post to start this thread...were all QUOTES from outside agencies and sources in connection with Obama's visit to the Mosque in Baltimore! Since it was a "hot" topic in the news, I thought I'd bring it up in connection as a news worthy idem! Personally, I think it's a shame that those who brace the Muslim faith have been lumped all together with the "radical" types who have caused the death and destruction of so many innocent people, including there own! However, the fact remains that since it's virtually impossible to distinguish the "radical" from the "non-radical" Muslim in today's society it does not bode well for those who embrace that faith, based on the actions of a minority of adherents. Just as there are "counterfeit" Christians who have been "false friends" to the Bible and true Christianity, there are those who have wrecked havoc on the world scene by embracing the Muslim faith "unconditionally!" Just as historically, Christendom has claimed to believe in the Bible and to be its guardian while at the same time there religious organizations have been associated with some of the most appalling horrors of history, from the Crusades and pogroms of the Middle Ages to the Holocaust....those supporting the Muslim faith now face a similar scenario in which they will be judged...and judged harshly...by the governmental and military establishments of the world who are trying to preserve there social, economic and political structures! I hope that clarifies the matter somewhat!

 

[colton]

Thanks for clarifying your view.

 

[cowhide]

"Muslim Americans keep us safe," he told the audience, crediting the contributions Muslims have made to communities across the country. "They are our police. They are our firefighters. They're in (the Department of) Homeland Security."

Nearly half of Americans think at least some US Muslims are anti-American, according to a new Pew Research Center poll released Wednesday. Two-thirds of Americans said people, not religious teachings, are to blame when violence is committed in the name of faith. However, when respondents were asked which religion they consider troubling, Islam was the most common answer.

"Not all Muslims are terrorists," grieves one prominent Muslim journalist in the London newspaper Al Sharq al-Awsat, "but it is equally certain, and exceptionally painful, that almost all terrorists are Muslims." That is the fact of the matter. It must be confronted, without apology, without remorse.

CAN MUSLIMS BE GOOD AMERICANS?
Socially – no: Because his allegiance to Islam forbids him to make friends with Christians or Jews.

Philosophically – no: Because Islam, Muhammad, and the Quran do not allow freedom of religion and expression. Democracy and Islam cannot co-exist. Every Muslim government is either dictatorial or autocratic.

Politically – no: Because he must submit to the mullahs (spiritual leaders), who teach annihilation of Israel and destruction of America, the great Satan.

....not my viewpoint, just pointing out what the American Public has said in the past and at the present!

They said the same thing about the Catholics and Mormons, Japanese, Germans, and Italians. Painting a wide brush on a whole group of people is the root of bigotry. There have been many Muslims who have helped America, they work as translator and have fought with American soldiers.

 

[Gameface]

First of all, let me point out that my original post to start this thread...were all QUOTES from outside agencies and sources in connection with Obama's visit to the Mosque in Baltimore! Since it was a "hot" topic in the news, I thought I'd bring it up in connection as a news worthy idem! Personally, I think it's a shame that those who brace the Muslim faith have been lumped all together with the "radical" types who have caused the death and destruction of so many innocent people, including there own! However, the fact remains that since it's virtually impossible to distinguish the "radical" from the "non-radical" Muslim in today's society it does not bode well for those who embrace that faith, based on the actions of a minority of adherents. Just as there are "counterfeit" Christians who have been "false friends" to the Bible and true Christianity, there are those who have wrecked havoc on the world scene by embracing the Muslim faith "unconditionally!" Just as historically, Christendom has claimed to believe in the Bible and to be its guardian while at the same time there religious organizations have been associated with some of the most appalling horrors of history, from the Crusades and pogroms of the Middle Ages to the Holocaust....those supporting the Muslim faith now face a similar scenario in which they will be judged...and judged harshly...by the governmental and military establishments of the world who are trying to preserve there social, economic and political structures! I hope that clarifies the matter somewhat!

That clarifies things nicely.

Please aggressively enjoy yourself!

 

[Dr. Jones]

That's one hella paragraph.

 

[Jamezz]

I've made probably as many posts criticizing religion as you have. There is, for example, a difference in saying that LDS beliefs are weird and non-sensical (which I think many of them are), and saying that LDS people are dupes, fools, uncritical sheep, dishonest, or go on down the line until it gets very nasty and personal. In the same way, criticizing Muslim beliefs is one thing (and I think many of them are stupid and/or dangerous), but essentially impugning the character of hundreds of million of people and attributing to them ill-intentioned stereotypes is another thing.

I'm just wondering out loud what the policy is here about where the line is and when/if this line gets crossed, what is done about it.

Chill out Jimmy, he was listing other sources. Did he personally offend you? If so go to the source.

 

[carolinajazz]

There have been many Muslims who have helped America, they work as translator and have fought with American soldiers.

...true, but they also flew planes into the Trade Towers, an act so egregious...that it brought this entire country to its knees and change the economic landscape of the entire world!

 

[carolinajazz]

Chill out Jimmy, he was listing other sources. Did he personally offend you? If so go to the source.

Thanks Jamezz, for pointing out a most overlooked tid bit of information!