I can't believe how young the team is

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Isn't this team finding continuity and rhythm right now? They're the youngest in the league and mired with injuries...

I'm saying if they can consistently groom players to replace old ones, while playing competitive ball, I believe the cream will rise to the top, thats the right way to do things, this also includes stashing players to develop so they could have lets say 20 'projects' going at once, it'd result in their best free agents being restricted, which obviates the 'no one will sign in Utah' issue.. Also if they could return assets for the older/expiring players it'd extend the shelf life of those draft picks for years after they exit...

What I'm talking about is kinda like the polar opposite of attrition..

They are, but not title contender continuity or rhythm. Only way u do this is if u have a top superstar. Those are hard to come by. Takes a young team a few years to start to figure out winning. Jazz are just now starting to learn to figure this out.


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[Game6Conley]

They are, but not title contender continuity or rhythm. Only way u do this is if u have a top superstar. Those are hard to come by. Takes a young team a few years to start to figure out winning. Jazz are just now starting to learn to figure this out.


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Who was the top superstar on the 2004 Pistons again?? I forgot.

The Jazz is doing a much better job at stringing together wins, given the current circumstances than some here are ready to admit, because they don't want to get their hopes up.. Which isn't the proper read, IMO.

There should be extreme optimism here in Jazzland, thats the way I see it, I kinda think I'm gonna be spot on about this tbh, I'm pretty good at having the last laugh.

I think the FO's really going to have to go out of their way to **** up all this momentum they've built..

 

[Saint Cy of JFC]

Wiggins is a sure fire All-Star for years to come, I just dont think he will be a super-star. I guess it's just semantics, but I don't see him being a top 10 player.

KAT is a sure-fire top 10 player though.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

Who was the top superstar on the 2004 Pistons again?? I forgot.

The Jazz is doing a much better job at stringing together wins, given the current circumstances than some here are ready to admit, because they don't want to get their hopes up.. Which isn't the proper read, IMO, there should be extreme optimism here in Jazzland, The way I see it, they're really going to have to go out of their way to **** this up..

No one has more optimism then me, but we aren't a serious contender for a title just a good young team. If this team can for the most part stay together they will in my mind eventually be contenders.


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[Saint Cy of JFC]

That Jazz could easily have been on a 12 game winning streak if they won those other really close games in January. If we had Favors for all those games, we probably are on a 12 game winning streak.

 

[Game6Conley]

No one has more optimism then me, but we aren't a serious contender for a title just a good young team. If this team can for the most part stay together they will in my mind eventually be contenders.


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When the Jazz win the chip they'll talk about the defense, like the '04 Pistons, that's my point..

that's what they'll remember..

That also means the star is already here --- Rudy Gobert. Maintaining that defensive integrity is why Rudy's an absolute no-brainer when it times to decide on giving him a 5 year contract.. He's certainly less expendable than Hayward (not that they can't keep em both)... It's not about who's a better basketball player either, players like Rudy are scarce compared to players like Hayward, it's not even close.. He's also younger than Hay by 28 months, which factors into the scarcity/determining who's more expendable..

A team built on defense and rebounding like that reduces the need for an absolute super-mega-star to carry the squad offensively anyway, .. .. The players individual values will all be high when it happens, multiple all-stars --- it's going to take nothing less to unseat the powers in the west......

Obviously a defense can't carry you to a victory in the NBA like what we just saw with the Bronco's in the super bowl, It can make things much, much easier though.


what I'm saying in the previous posts is the Jazz have the opportunity to pick and choose their spots with how they can plug in more offense, while maintaining or even trying to improve the defensive integrity.. they have alot of those opportunities in front of them, which is great because the way I see it, there's many ways they can try to improve the offense. plenty of room for improvement. I'm also saying they can actually get younger while they're doing trial and error, if it's done right, It's not that far-fetched, other teams can and will do it for sure during that time -- the Jazz have better assets than those teams already though..

They've also got a ****load of cap flexibility, the rising salary cap is going to benefit this whole process greatly, it will allow for more error, which of course also means if that error is minimized, it'll allow for more efficiency -- The Jazz F/o is doing a great job so i'm confident they won't **** this up. Not only will they open up a window, they're gonna open up a big *** window -- I'm sure of it.

 

[Bawse Dawg]

When the Jazz win the chip they'll talk about the defense, like the '04 Pistons, that's my point..

that's what they'll remember..

That also means the star is already here --- Rudy Gobert. Maintaining that defensive integrity is why Rudy's an absolute no-brainer when it times to decide on giving him a 5 year contract.. He's certainly less expendable than Hayward (not that they can't keep em both)... It's not about who's a better basketball player either, players like Rudy are scarce compared to players like Hayward, it's not even close.. He's also younger than Hay by 28 months, which factors into the scarcity/determining who's more expendable..

A team built on defense and rebounding like that reduces the need for an absolute super-mega-star to carry the squad offensively anyway, .. .. The players individual values will all be high when it happens, multiple all-stars --- it's going to take nothing less to unseat the powers in the west......

Obviously a defense can't carry you to a victory in the NBA like what we just saw with the Bronco's in the super bowl, It can make things much, much easier though.


what I'm saying in the previous posts is the Jazz have the opportunity to pick and choose their spots with how they can plug in more offense, while maintaining or even trying to improve the defensive integrity.. they have alot of those opportunities in front of them, which is great because the way I see it, there's many ways they can try to improve the offense. plenty of room for improvement. I'm also saying they can actually get younger while they're doing trial and error, if it's done right, It's not that far-fetched, other teams can and will do it for sure during that time -- the Jazz have better assets than those teams already though..

They've also got a ****load of cap flexibility, the rising salary cap is going to benefit this whole process greatly, it will allow for more error, which of course also means if that error is minimized, it'll allow for more efficiency -- The Jazz F/o is doing a great job so i'm confident they won't **** this up. Not only will they open up a window, they're gonna open up a big *** window -- I'm sure of it.

I like the cut of your jib.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

When the Jazz win the chip they'll talk about the defense, like the '04 Pistons, that's my point..

that's what they'll remember..

That also means the star is already here --- Rudy Gobert. Maintaining that defensive integrity is why Rudy's an absolute no-brainer when it times to decide on giving him a 5 year contract.. He's certainly less expendable than Hayward (not that they can't keep em both)... It's not about who's a better basketball player either, players like Rudy are scarce compared to players like Hayward, it's not even close.. He's also younger than Hay by 28 months, which factors into the scarcity/determining who's more expendable..

A team built on defense and rebounding like that reduces the need for an absolute super-mega-star to carry the squad offensively anyway, .. .. The players individual values will all be high when it happens, multiple all-stars --- it's going to take nothing less to unseat the powers in the west......

Obviously a defense can't carry you to a victory in the NBA like what we just saw with the Bronco's in the super bowl, It can make things much, much easier though.


what I'm saying in the previous posts is the Jazz have the opportunity to pick and choose their spots with how they can plug in more offense, while maintaining or even trying to improve the defensive integrity.. they have alot of those opportunities in front of them, which is great because the way I see it, there's many ways they can try to improve the offense. plenty of room for improvement. I'm also saying they can actually get younger while they're doing trial and error, if it's done right, It's not that far-fetched, other teams can and will do it for sure during that time -- the Jazz have better assets than those teams already though..

They've also got a ****load of cap flexibility, the rising salary cap is going to benefit this whole process greatly, it will allow for more error, which of course also means if that error is minimized, it'll allow for more efficiency -- The Jazz F/o is doing a great job so i'm confident they won't **** this up. Not only will they open up a window, they're gonna open up a big *** window -- I'm sure of it.

Agree. I'm I think u have to include Favors with Gobert. Defense was good when Favors was out, but has been nothing short of amazing adding him to Gobert. With the emergence of Hood, Hayward is a prime trade target, however, Hayward is part of the defensive solution and a fine option on offense. We only trade Hayward if we feel he wants to leave. However I don't think he will want to leave. I think he's comfortable here and enjoys his teammates. Maybe u trade him in the middle of his next contract if Hood is firmly entrenched as the go to offensive scoring threat.


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[Stifle Tower]

My guess is Burk and Burke will both be traded before their current contract is up. I would think The Jazz should have cap space to keep the rest of the players - unless Exum and Lyles explode and end up being stars.

Of course the wild card in all of this is the front office - will they make the financial commitment to keep these players (assuming they're worth keeping) or will they try to spin another re-set?

Yes, they have to..I just don't see how Burks can remain. And Burke is a "dead man walking."

Hayward, Gobert and Favors are all going to have to take less than the max. And I think they could all be offered max contracts on the open market. As could Hood (or close to it) if he continues his trajectory. Jazz will just have to draft well so some of the new players replace ones that have become too expensive.

 

[Game6Conley]

I like the cut of your jib.

LOL -- I've never heard that before, I'm gonna use it now.

 

[Thee Jazz Fan]

When the Jazz win the chip they'll talk about the defense, like the '04 Pistons, that's my point..

that's what they'll remember..

That also means the star is already here --- Rudy Gobert. Maintaining that defensive integrity is why Rudy's an absolute no-brainer when it times to decide on giving him a 5 year contract.. He's certainly less expendable than Hayward (not that they can't keep em both)... It's not about who's a better basketball player either, players like Rudy are scarce compared to players like Hayward, it's not even close.. He's also younger than Hay by 28 months, which factors into the scarcity/determining who's more expendable..

A team built on defense and rebounding like that reduces the need for an absolute super-mega-star to carry the squad offensively anyway, .. .. The players individual values will all be high when it happens, multiple all-stars --- it's going to take nothing less to unseat the powers in the west......

Obviously a defense can't carry you to a victory in the NBA like what we just saw with the Bronco's in the super bowl, It can make things much, much easier though.


what I'm saying in the previous posts is the Jazz have the opportunity to pick and choose their spots with how they can plug in more offense, while maintaining or even trying to improve the defensive integrity.. they have alot of those opportunities in front of them, which is great because the way I see it, there's many ways they can try to improve the offense. plenty of room for improvement. I'm also saying they can actually get younger while they're doing trial and error, if it's done right, It's not that far-fetched, other teams can and will do it for sure during that time -- the Jazz have better assets than those teams already though..

They've also got a ****load of cap flexibility, the rising salary cap is going to benefit this whole process greatly, it will allow for more error, which of course also means if that error is minimized, it'll allow for more efficiency -- The Jazz F/o is doing a great job so i'm confident they won't **** this up. Not only will they open up a window, they're gonna open up a big *** window -- I'm sure of it.

Can we be talked about like the bad boys Pistons instead?? Just saying.

 

[fishonjazz]

I just don't see how Burks can remain.

Why?
Is Burks a bad third wing/6th man? Is his contact huge?