Scientific paper says the human hand was designed by a 'Creator'!

[jimmy eat jazz]

...not to mention the human "brain" and "eye" as well! Even Darwin conceded that the complexity of the eye and the capabilities of the human brain made "mush" out of his theory of evolution! And after decades of further research and study the only conclusion that can be drawn is that the theory man has "evolved" is the biggest HOAX ever perpetrated in the history of mankind! Your thoughts?

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ent-design-plos-one-creatorgate-a6910171.html

I'll match your one 'scientific paper' arguing for intelligent design and up it by thousands providing credible, objective, scientific evidence for evolution.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

The TRUTH about the Nephilim? The disobedient materialized angels had sexual relations with women, and the women bore children. These were not ordinary children. They were Nephilim, half human and half angel. The Bible account says: “The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.”—Genesis 6:4.

The Hebrew word “nephilim” literally means “fellers,” those who fell others, or who cause others to fall, through violent acts. Thus, it is not surprising that the Bible account adds: “The earth became filled with violence.” (Genesis 6:11)

The mythological demigods, such as Heracles and the Babylonian hero Gilgamesh, strongly resemble Nephilim.

Notice that the Nephilim were called “mighty ones” and “men of fame.” Unlike the righteous man Noah, who lived in the same period, the Nephilim were not interested in promoting the fame of the true God. They were interested in their own fame, glory, and reputation. Through mighty acts, which undoubtedly involved violence and bloodshed, they earned the fame they craved from the ungodly world around them. They were the superheroes of their day—feared, respected, and seemingly invincible.

While the Nephilim and their debased angelic fathers may have enjoyed fame in the eyes of their contemporaries, they certainly were not famous in God’s sight. Their way of life was detestable. Consequently, God acted against the fallen angels. The apostle Peter wrote: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment; and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people.”—2*Peter 2:4,*5.

At the global Flood, the rebellious angels dematerialized and returned in disgrace to the spirit realm. God punished them by prohibiting them from again materializing human bodies. The Nephilim, the superhuman offspring of the disobedient angels, all perished. Only Noah and his small family survived the Deluge.

I've asked before, but I'll ask again, how do you square racism/bigotry with a belief in a divine being who taught the following:"Do to others what you want them to do to you." and "A new command I give you: Love one another. As I have loved you, so you must love one another. By this everyone will know that you are my disciples, if you love one another.”

All of your Christian posing doesn't amount to shiite until you can demonstrate you truly follow Christ's teachings and are his disciple.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

And here's the rest of the story . . . https://www.theguardian.com/science...paper-citing-a-creator-retracted-after-furore

Among other info in this article, the authors (Chinese) claim that the word 'creator' was a translation error and that they did not intend to imply intelligent design.

Sorry CJ, but your racist/bigoted God didn't, after all, receive any scientific support.

 

[moevillini]

The TRUTH about the Nephilim? The disobedient materialized angels had sexual relations with women, and the women bore children. These were not ordinary children. They were Nephilim, half human and half angel. The Bible account says: “The Nephilim proved to be in the earth in those days, and also after that, when the sons of the true God continued to have relations with the daughters of men and they bore sons to them, they were the mighty ones who were of old, the men of fame.”—Genesis 6:4.

The Hebrew word “nephilim” literally means “fellers,” those who fell others, or who cause others to fall, through violent acts. Thus, it is not surprising that the Bible account adds: “The earth became filled with violence.” (Genesis 6:11)

The mythological demigods, such as Heracles and the Babylonian hero Gilgamesh, strongly resemble Nephilim.

Notice that the Nephilim were called “mighty ones” and “men of fame.” Unlike the righteous man Noah, who lived in the same period, the Nephilim were not interested in promoting the fame of the true God. They were interested in their own fame, glory, and reputation. Through mighty acts, which undoubtedly involved violence and bloodshed, they earned the fame they craved from the ungodly world around them. They were the superheroes of their day—feared, respected, and seemingly invincible.

While the Nephilim and their debased angelic fathers may have enjoyed fame in the eyes of their contemporaries, they certainly were not famous in God’s sight. Their way of life was detestable. Consequently, God acted against the fallen angels. The apostle Peter wrote: “God did not hold back from punishing the angels that sinned, but, by throwing them into Tartarus, delivered them to pits of dense darkness to be reserved for judgment; and he did not hold back from punishing an ancient world, but kept Noah, a preacher of righteousness, safe with seven others when he brought a deluge upon a world of ungodly people.”—2*Peter 2:4,*5.

At the global Flood, the rebellious angels dematerialized and returned in disgrace to the spirit realm. God punished them by prohibiting them from again materializing human bodies. The Nephilim, the superhuman offspring of the disobedient angels, all perished. Only Noah and his small family survived the Deluge.

Oh man Ivan Reitman** would've had a field day with this one. RIP IVAN. Dreaming of the wonderful screenplay you might have created.

Maybe something like this:
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pzaQjS1JstY

** oops, I meant Harold Ramis, he and Ivan Reitman made a great team. Sorry Ivan and Harold.

 

[MVP]

Evolutionists claim that evolution is a scientific fact, but they always lose scientific debates with creation scientists.

Oh really? First - there is no creation scientists. Second, even if some deluded creationists have some degrees in chemistry or other scientific subjects their theories were dismissed by all scientific world and/or in legal cases in courts as well - for example : In Kitzmiller v. Dover Area School District, the first direct challenge brought in United States federal courts to an attempt to mandate the teaching of intelligent design on First Amendment grounds, Behe was called as a primary witness for the defense and asked to support the idea that intelligent design was legitimate science. Some of the most crucial exchanges in the trial occurred during Behe's cross-examination, where his testimony would prove devastating to the defense. Behe was forced to concede that "there are no peer reviewed articles by anyone advocating for intelligent design supported by pertinent experiments or calculations which provide detailed rigorous accounts of how intelligent design of any biological system occurred" and that his definition of 'theory' as applied to intelligent design was so loose that astrology would also qualify

 

[carolinajazz]

Sorry CJ, but your racist/bigoted God didn't, after all, receive any scientific support.

So your saying that the Creator is "racist/bigoted because he, at one time, favor the ancient nation of Israel above other nations? God did single out the nation of Israel in Bible times, and he protected the Israelites in some of their conflicts with other nations. Additionally, the Bible says of God: “He is telling his word to Jacob, his regulations and his judicial decisions to Israel. He has not done that way to any other nation.” (Psalm 147:19,*20) But do God’s dealings with Israel suggest that he is partial? Not at all. Consider three reasons.

First, God singled out Israel in order to benefit all nations. He made a covenant with the forefather of that nation, Abraham, saying: “By means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.” (Genesis 22:17,*18) God’s purpose in dealing with Israel was to produce a “seed” that would make great blessings available, not just to the people of one nation but to people of “all nations of the earth.”

Second, God’s blessings were never limited to the people of Israel. He impartially opened the way for individuals of other nations to join with his chosen people in worshipping him. (2*Chronicles 6:32,*33) Many accepted that invitation and were blessed as a result. The Moabite woman Ruth was just one well-known example of such.—Ruth 1:3,*16.

Third, God’s special relationship with earthly Israel was temporary. In 29*C.E., Israel produced the foretold “seed” in the person of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. (Galatians 3:16) But Jesus’ countrymen rejected him as the Messiah. He said to them: “Look! Your house is abandoned to you.” (Matthew 23:38) Thereafter, God’s dealings with mankind have been separate from individual secular nations and their conflicts. Rather, he has impartially made blessings available to all mankind.

(Acts 10:34, 35) 34  At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35  but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."

 

[Joe Bagadonuts]

LOL at people attempting to have a scientific discussion with CJ? Not only will logic never penetrate his skull, but do you realize that this Christlike individual plagiarizes almost every word he posts to you in response? (Stealing is not so Christlike, huh.) Check out this link.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102005885

Look familiar? If not then I'm sure that's because you didn't even bother reading post #42.

 

[jimmy eat jazz]

So your saying that the Creator is "racist/bigoted because he, at one time, favor the ancient nation of Israel above other nations? God did single out the nation of Israel in Bible times, and he protected the Israelites in some of their conflicts with other nations. Additionally, the Bible says of God: “He is telling his word to Jacob, his regulations and his judicial decisions to Israel. He has not done that way to any other nation.” (Psalm 147:19,*20) But do God’s dealings with Israel suggest that he is partial? Not at all. Consider three reasons.

First, God singled out Israel in order to benefit all nations. He made a covenant with the forefather of that nation, Abraham, saying: “By means of your seed all nations of the earth will certainly bless themselves.” (Genesis 22:17,*18) God’s purpose in dealing with Israel was to produce a “seed” that would make great blessings available, not just to the people of one nation but to people of “all nations of the earth.”

Second, God’s blessings were never limited to the people of Israel. He impartially opened the way for individuals of other nations to join with his chosen people in worshipping him. (2*Chronicles 6:32,*33) Many accepted that invitation and were blessed as a result. The Moabite woman Ruth was just one well-known example of such.—Ruth 1:3,*16.

Third, God’s special relationship with earthly Israel was temporary. In 29*C.E., Israel produced the foretold “seed” in the person of the Messiah, Jesus Christ. (Galatians 3:16) But Jesus’ countrymen rejected him as the Messiah. He said to them: “Look! Your house is abandoned to you.” (Matthew 23:38) Thereafter, God’s dealings with mankind have been separate from individual secular nations and their conflicts. Rather, he has impartially made blessings available to all mankind.

(Acts 10:34, 35) 34  At this Peter began to speak, and he said: “Now I truly understand that God is not partial, 35  but in every nation the man who fears him and does what is right is acceptable to him."

No, I'm not, since I don't believe in any Creator, I don't attribute human characteristics to something that doesn't exist.

God didn't single out Israel, Israel singled out Israel. The God of the Bible is a tribal deity that, as a matter of course, has a hard on for that particular tribe. He's also a mass murdering, egotistical, ****** that, surprise-surprise, reflects back the cultural and other beliefs of the tribe. But since he doesn't actually exist, he's not really like that, that's just how this particular tribe imagined him.

Like Biblical people, YOUR God reflects back to you your beliefs, being a creature of your imagination, and since you're a racist bigot, your God naturally is too. It's so funny how that works.

 

[carolinajazz]

LOL at people attempting to have a scientific discussion with CJ? Not only will logic never penetrate his skull, but do you realize that this Christlike individual plagiarizes almost every word he posts to you in response? (Stealing is not so Christlike, huh.) Check out this link.

https://wol.jw.org/en/wol/d/r1/lp-e/102005885

Look familiar? If not then I'm sure that's because you didn't even bother reading post #42.

....just posting a response to the question/issue at hand! Regardless of the source of this information, why concern yourself with the source and pay more attention to the content? If you disagree with the rebuttal or observations to the question or questions raised, I can live with that! The consequences of what we believe or support is something all of us must deal with.

 

[Darkwing Duck]

....just posting a response to the question/issue at hand! Regardless of the source of this information, why concern yourself with the source and pay more attention to the content? If you disagree with the rebuttal or observations to the question or questions raised, I can live with that! The consequences of what we believe or support is something all of us must deal with.

Because the individual making the initial response isn't here, so there's no point responding.

And you can't say it's your argument since it's not in your own words. If you can't even remake an argument into your own words, how much do you really understand what you're plagiarizing?

 

[Gameface]

Because the individual making the initial response isn't here, so there's no point responding.

And you can't say it's your argument since it's not in your own words. If you can't even remake an argument into your own words, how much do you really understand what you're plagiarizing?

No kidding. Seriously, CJ, just say what you want to say in support of the work and then copy/paste to your heart's desire with a link to the source material and the copied work in a quote box or with quotation marks. If you need instruction on how to use the quote box I can help.

 

[carolinajazz]

No, I'm not, since I don't believe in any Creator, I don't attribute human characteristics to something that doesn't exist.

God didn't single out Israel, Israel singled out Israel. The God of the Bible is a tribal deity that, as a matter of course, has a hard on for that particular tribe. He's also a mass murdering, egotistical, ****** that, surprise-surprise, reflects back the cultural and other beliefs of the tribe. But since he doesn't actually exist, he's not really like that, that's just how this particular tribe imagined him.

Like Biblical people, YOUR God reflects back to you your beliefs, being a creature of your imagination, and since you're a racist bigot, your God naturally is too. It's so funny how that works.

....here's something I recently read/learned that I'm going to pass on that may clear up a matter!

"God’s Law said that false prophets and idolaters should be put to death. (Deut. 13:5-9) These Baal priests were committed enemies of God, and they deliberately worked against his purposes. Did they deserve mercy? Well, what mercy had they ever granted to all those innocent children who were burned alive as sacrifices to Baal? (Proverbs 21:13) 13 Whoever stops up his ear to the cry of the lowly one Will himself call and not be answered." (Jeremiah 19:4, 5) 5 They built the high places of Baʹal in order to burn their sons in the fire as whole burnt offerings to Baʹal, something that I had not commanded or spoken of and that had never even come into my heart.”’

"Those men were well beyond the reach of mercy! So Elijah ordered that they be executed, and executed they were.—1*Ki. 18:40.
Modern-day critics may decry the conclusion to this test on Mount Carmel. Some people may worry lest religious zealots use it to justify violent acts of religious intolerance. And sadly, there are many violent religious fanatics today. However, Elijah was no fanatic. He was acting on God's behalf in a just execution. Furthermore, genuine Christians know that they cannot follow Elijah’s course in taking a sword to the wicked. Rather, they follow the standard for all disciples of Jesus as found in Christ’s words to Peter: “Return your sword to its place, for all those who take the sword will perish by the sword.” (Matt. 26:52) God will use his Son to carry out divine justice in the future."

So the concerns of modern-day critics about Elijah’s execution of the Baal priests is unfounded! Even human governments and authorities today, don't tolerate child abuse of any kind and punish the abusers accordingly! So there's certainly no bigotry or racism here...just plain old justice!