Good Article - "NBA Free Agency 2016: Utah Jazz cap situation and future-proofing"

[fishonjazz]

Jared Dudley is one of the top RPM guys and has an insane ts%... Two things that lead to wins. He's an A+ locker room guy and mentor... Sees it as part of the reason he will stay in the league. I think he adds 3-5 wins last year which is a lot but we lost a ton of close games and depth would have changed things at key points in the season. 3-5 wins obviously puts us in the playoffs and changes our view of the season.

Repped btw

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Thanks for the answer.
So you think they will be at the salary floor in 3 or 4 years? Will they never spend or do you think that they want to spend big money when the team is closer to being contenders and their young guys are a little more developed and we are closer to the finish of the rebuild?

I hope they plan on spending eventually and I hope that they didn't avoid spending last summer 100% due to financial reasons. Hopefully some of the reason was exactly what myself and others have said. (develop our own guys and give them lots of uncontested minutes and see how good they can be)

With the cap rising I think we will live at or near the floor... Revenue goes up but I'm not smart enough to figure out if revenue is proportionate for a small market team.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

I think that is a lot of value. Maybe they should have tried to get him. Maybe they even did try to. Maybe they didn't predict correctly just how good he would be. Maybe with the jazz he doesn't do as good.

You make a good point. Looking back and having the stats you just provided, i wish they would have got jared dudley last summer.

That one is cherry picking a bit but I have to believe Milwaukee would have preferred to trade him to us in a salty dump and not a team they were competing with for a playoff spot.

Who knows if it would have worked out but I know we had two rotation players that were awful to start the season and he could have taken minutes from either or both. I would like to get him this year but it'd have been nice to get an audition.

He was amongst the guys I wanted to go get.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Repped btw

Thank you... I appreciate the way you debate... Always fair.

 

[fishonjazz]

With the cap rising I think we will live at or near the floor...

Really?
I think hayward makes 25 million per year (for the jazz) three years from now. I figure favors will be around 18 million. Rudy around 18 million as well. Burks will be at 11 million still. Hood is probably at around 15 million. If exum even becomes half as good as we hope he will be around 15 million. Lyles looks like he could be kind of like ryan anderson and i figure he will be at least 10 million.

If you add that up (i actually think lyles will be more than 10 million but i went with 10 anyway) thats 112 million for 7 guys. Lets just say i was a few million too high on exum, favors, and rudy. So now we minus 6 million and we are at 106 million for 7 guys. That leaves another 7 guys to pay to fill out the roster. Lets say they are all super cheap joe ingles types. that would still be like 3 million a piece (probably to low really) so now we are at 127 million if we are being conservative.

What will the salary floor be in 3 years? idk but i was being quite conservative with those numbers and i still think we will be a decent amount over the floor.

I guess the cap might keep going up and that salary would be low but I also don't think we will have 7 players at a joe ingles type super low salary. Hell just our first rounders alone will make more than 3 million.

 

[fishonjazz]

Thank you... I appreciate the way you debate... Always fair.

Thanks
You too man.

 

[fishonjazz]

That one is cherry picking a bit but I have to believe Milwaukee would have preferred to trade him to us in a salty dump and not a team they were competing with for a playoff spot.

Who knows if it would have worked out but I know we had two rotation players that were awful to start the season and he could have taken minutes from either or both. I would like to get him this year but it'd have been nice to get an audition.

He was amongst the guys I wanted to go get.

Ya, he looks to be one of the ones that got away.

Im hearing a lot about pj tucker being the jared dudley of this off season. Hopefully we try to get him. Wonder how much he would cost.

 

[RandyForRubio]

Why do you think the jazz did nothing? They are pros right?

You think the plan was to suck as much as possible, make the fans mad, look as stupid as they can, and try their hardest to miss the playoffs?
Doesn't seem like a good plan. Maybe they actually thought they had a good reason to not be active in free agency and injuries screwed that reason up.

I think they made a mistake. And sure they're pros, but so is every executive for every other team. That doesn't mean ****. They can be pro's and still make a mistake. You're making this an "us against them" thing. It's not. It's just saying they're not perfect and they screwed up.

 

[NAOS]

Ya I wonder if the jazz could have predicted that Burks would miss 50+ games if they would have signed a wing.

You're missing the point.

I think he was saying that the minutes chris Johnson and joe ingles got could have went to someone else if we had signed someone else.

I was agreeing. If the jazz knew that chris johnson and joe ingles would be getting minutes then they probably would have tried to get a better player to use those minutes.
I think that the jazz thought that cj and ingles would never set foot on the basketball court.

Yup, missed the point. Again.

 

[NAOS]

Myself and others have provided some possible reasons why the jazz didn't spend in free agency.

Many people have complained about that fact.

What reasons do the people think the jazz were not active in free agency? They just have the dumbest and cheapest coaches, gm, and management in the league?

Man I'm glad I don't think that. I think they had a good reason.

... goin' with the blind-faith angle.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Really?
I think hayward makes 25 million per year (for the jazz) three years from now. I figure favors will be around 18 million. Rudy around 18 million as well. Burks will be at 11 million still. Hood is probably at around 15 million. If exum even becomes half as good as we hope he will be around 15 million. Lyles looks like he could be kind of like ryan anderson and i figure he will be at least 10 million.

If you add that up (i actually think lyles will be more than 10 million but i went with 10 anyway) thats 112 million for 7 guys. Lets just say i was a few million too high on exum, favors, and rudy. So now we minus 6 million and we are at 106 million for 7 guys. That leaves another 7 guys to pay to fill out the roster. Lets say they are all super cheap joe ingles types. that would still be like 3 million a piece (probably to low really) so now we are at 127 million if we are being conservative.

What will the salary floor be in 3 years? idk but i was being quite conservative with those numbers and i still think we will be a decent amount over the floor.

I guess the cap might keep going up and that salary would be low but I also don't think we will have 7 players at a joe ingles type super low salary. Hell just our first rounders alone will make more than 3 million.

The cap likely settles around 105-110... floor would be 90% of that. I think we will be at or near the floor unless the team has a chance to be great... kind of like the DWill era great.... not Malone Stockton great. I think some of the guys will be traded and they will be replaced with young cheap guys. I think we trade guys though... don't think they walk for nothing.

I may be wrong here and maybe they were saving a bit for a rainy day this season. It seems like the opposite of how we should do it though... spend last offseason and sit this one out. It will be bananas... Jazzfanz may melt when they see the type of deals handed out.

 

[Handlogten's Heros]

Ya, he looks to be one of the ones that got away.

Im hearing a lot about pj tucker being the jared dudley of this off season. Hopefully we try to get him. Wonder how much he would cost.

Tucker has a team option around $5M... could probably be had in trade for a second. I like him.. I like solid bench guys that can do a few things well and play a couple different positions.