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mct said:
I don't post much, and to be honest my interest in the Jazz took a huge hit this past season for various personal reasons, but the jazz have done nothing lately to convince me to watch religiously like I used to.

I can see both sides of the argument in this thread. On one hand their wait-and-see, cake-bake plan appears to be sort of working, albeit slowly. They should have made the playoffs this year based on SRS, and they will probably make the playoffs next year for reasons already pointed out.

On the other hand, goddamn if this isn't the least interesting NBA team going right now. Rudy Gobert and his standing reach is our only moderately interesting storyline in the last several years. Can you imagine being an opposing announcer calling Jazz games? It would be torture. All you can say about our best players is that they seem to be getting slightly better each year, that they play the game the right way, and one day might knock on the door of the allstar game.

Check out the Jazz's attendance at away games:

https://espn.go.com/nba/attendance/_/sort/awayAvg

Back in Deron's day we were much higher. That's because other teams could sell their fans on coming out to see our badass point guard play. Look at the timberwolves this past season. You can bet opposing marketing teams sold ticket packages with Towns and Wiggins yelling passionately on either side of the promo graphic. Favors and Hayward are going into their seventh season. It is too late for them to get this kind of hype. Their NBA fate is doomed to nice complementary guys, Kyle Lowry level stars in terms of name recognition.

This is bad, guys. Hype is important. Marketing teams can work with hype. Fans turn out to games because of hype. Right now, looking over the thirty teams, our Hype Index would be right down there with Brooklyn's, which is impressive considering how young this team is. You'd think we'd have something other than Gobert's defense to capture the imagination of fans.

That's the main reason I'm in favor of a huge shakeup this offseason. If the most compelling reason to watch next season is the return of an inexperienced and injured former fifth pick, I'm sorry but that's not going to make me count down the days until November. Another year of incremental improvement from within that--if injuries and fourth quarters start going our way--might get us fifty wins?

Ugh...

I mean, I'll still watch, but only because I don't really have anything better to do.
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This. 100% this. We are the most boring team in the NBA. Maybe it's because we were all waiting for Exum to play, but this team was...bleh.
 
LMAO at those who claim "we" needed to assess talent. The franchise doesn't need to assess talent; that's what they do for a living and already knew pretty much exactly what they got. YOU needed to assess talent, and that's such a dumb *** business model to promote that it's not worthy of this response.

The Jazz know what they have and had. They failed to put product on the floor so they could put money in their pockets. Need I remind you we could have had Reggie Jackson?
 
franklin said:
LMAO at those who claim "we" needed to assess talent. The franchise doesn't need to assess talent; that's what they do for a living and already knew pretty much exactly what they got. YOU needed to assess talent, and that's such a dumb *** business model to promote that it's not worthy of this response.

The Jazz know what they have and had. They failed to put product on the floor so they could put money in their pockets. Need I remind you we could have had Reggie Jackson?
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Not bustin' your chops. Just curious. Some of you are so sure Reggie Jackson was there for the taking. I'm wondering how you're so certain, because I haven't seen anyone from the Jazz confirm it. Is it just speculation because he was part of the 3-way or has someone credible confirmed.
 
My2Cents said:
Not bustin' your chops. Just curious. Some of you are so sure Reggie Jackson was there for the taking. I'm wondering how you're so certain, because I haven't seen anyone from the Jazz confirm it. Is it just speculation because he was part of the 3-way or has someone credible confirmed.
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They took DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler and a 2019 2nd rounder for salary filler for him. I guarantee the Jazz could have easily offered a pittance of a package that was would have trumped that. And you do remember that we traded who is now a max contract guy and took on Kendrick Perkins?

It was nothing short of a salary dump. After Utah bought out Perkins they saved Miller Co a cool few million.
 
franklin said:
They took DJ Augustine, Kyle Singler and a 2019 2nd rounder for salary filler for him. I guarantee the Jazz could have easily offered a pittance of a package that was would have trumped that. And you do remember that we traded who is now a max contract guy and took on Kendrick Perkins?

It was nothing short of a salary dump. After Utah bought out Perkins they saved Miller Co a cool few million.
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Yeah, I know the history. So basically it's an assumption that people are treating as fact. That we could have had Jackson if we wanted. Maybe true, maybe not. I do remember reading that OKC was hot for Singler for some reason. Ok, thanks.
 
It is also quite possible that OKC didn't wish to solidify a division rival's point guard position for the near future, especially as they were unsure about what will happen with their stars after a disappointing season. Just because the deal was available to Detroit, doesn't mean it was available to us.

Utah on the other hand probably didn't see a downside to OKC committing max salary to Enes Kanter. . .
 
In case anyone missed it before, I like to print out this thread regularly and wipe my *** with it.

Having said that, the one thing that Frank has gotten right in this thread, and possibly in his entire life, was that DL kinda screwed the pooch by taking back Pleiss and a crappy pick instead of RJ. However, that's all hindsight expertise as Frank has certainly mastered. The concern with RJ was the same as with Anes, in that he would be massively overpaid for a player that had legitimate question marks.

Keep in mind, Frank believes Trey Burke will blossom under a new system and DL blew it by paying way too much for Alec Burks.

Stay tuned...
 
Lindsay's biggest mistake was either:

Letting Millsap walk

Or

Drafting Trey Burke.

Both those moves have held back this team so much. Lindsay was set to take Giannis and Gobert with the two picks he traded for Burke. Whoops.
 
fishonjazz said:
Good news is that I think they have a really good team that will only go up from here.
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Here is the problem and the ultimate truth in the OP. This statement has been the mantra for a decade or more now. Look at our young team, look at them try so hard. They can only get better, right? Oops, guess not, let's get another new young team. Look at them try so hard, they can only get better, right?

SS DD
 
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