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Corbin - please start Favors/Hayward the rest of the way

One Brow said:
That's exactly the kind of statement that tells me you're not looking at the game objectively. He has brought some positives as well as some negatives, compared to Hayward, in the games I have seen.
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What Hayward are we talking about here? The player from the first 40 games of the season, or the player that is on a modestly rapid development trajectory? You can't speak of Hayward in the general as you've done here. Also, you don't respond to my claims about the trajectory of the season, which changes everything.

Also, find me ONE statistical category that bodes well for Raja Bell. kthx.


One Brow said:
I agree my opinion's value is close to zero.
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We agree on this
 
One Brow said:
It's better to get offensive fouls than to shoot from range or pass the ball? Interesting coach you would make. I agree the attitude and attempt is a positive, but Hayward is still doing the wrong thing.
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I disagree with this 100%. As a coach (which I am) I would much rather have my players driving for layups than jump shots from distance. The percentages don't lie. You make a lot more close shots than you do 25 ft jumpers. It's a no brainer, if you go 4 of 5 and get to the line a few times or you go 3 for 11 which happened in the last game then it's better to get a couple of offensive fouls.
 
One Brow said:
I don't understand why people are always so eager to see rookies cement bad habits before they have a chance to unlearn them. Hayward and Favors are getting playing time, but if they want more they need to earn more, not be given more. Winning teams don't give minutes, they make players earn them.
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So old players with bad habits/bad play should get more playing time because....?
 
NAOS said:
What Hayward are we talking about here? The player from the first 40 games of the season, or the player that is on a modestly rapid development trajectory? You can't speak of Hayward in the general as you've done here. Also, you don't respond to my claims about the trajectory of the season, which changes everything.

Also, find me ONE statistical category that bodes well for Raja Bell. kthx.
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Good point. One of the few positives this season has been watching Hayward come along as a player. His numbers have improved each month and while I wouldn't say he's playing with a great deal of confidence, he's not playing scared either.

He has an outside chance to finish 50% from the field and 40% from three - that's a hell of a foundation for a 20 year old to build on. I don't know where the kid is going to end up; but we won't know watching him ride the pine.

Besides, what's the purpose of playing Miles or Bell anyway? Bell is just about done and Miles' performance Monday made it clear he doesn't want to stay in Utah. Let The Jazz keep the 3.7 million and he can go look for a job with another team.
 
candrew said:
Good point. One of the few positives this season has been watching Hayward come along as a player. His numbers have improved each month and while I wouldn't say he's playing with a great deal of confidence, he's not playing scared either.

He has an outside chance to finish 50% from the field and 40% from three - that's a hell of a foundation for a 20 year old to build on. I don't know where the kid is going to end up; but we won't know watching him ride the pine.

Besides, what's the purpose of playing Miles or Bell anyway? Bell is just about done and Miles' performance Monday made it clear he doesn't want to stay in Utah. Let The Jazz keep the 3.7 million and he can go look for a job with another team.
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Tonite's starting lineup...

Harris, Bell, Miles, Evans, Jefferson

Great for Evans, stinks for Hayward. We will get to see CL lay a house of bricks again....
 
We'll see how it shakes out. My guess, after thinking about it for a while, is Favors gets more minutes. Hopefully Evans plays with energy and helps gets the team off to a good start.
 
candrew said:
He has an outside chance to finish 50% from the field and 40% from three - that's a hell of a foundation for a 20 year old to build on. I don't know where the kid is going to end up; but we won't know watching him ride the pine.
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Lets not go crazy. Hayward has only attempted 164 field goals in his career. The raw percentage doesn't mean that much given that we're literally talking about three shots a game.

Also, I'll take the under on both those percentages.
 
Ben10 said:
I think you are missing the Point I am trying to make. ...
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Perhaps. I largely agreed, or at least don't dispute, much of that paragraph.

Ben10 said:
You can't judge a way a player is playing by stats alone.
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I agree, there are always non-statistical factors to consider. However, being a better shooter is a pretty straight-forward statistical factor, and Bell shoots better from Hayward from range and in close.

Ben10 said:
Hayward has been pretty good for a 20 year old rookie that has played in 60 games. And IMO a lot better than CJ and Raja who have Years of experiance. So in this wreck of a season why not play Hayward who need to learn how to not make some of the mistakes he is making.
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It has always seemed to me that, at the NBA level, you are more likely to learn new mistakes to try to recover other errors, rather than unlearn mistakes, given more floor time than you are ready for.
 
NAOS said:
Also, find me ONE statistical category that bodes well for Raja Bell. kthx.
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You mean, where Bell is superior? He's a better shooter of jumpers and in close than Hayward. Hayward's percentage is higher because he takes a higher percentage of close shots, but he is a worse shooter.

When the first team features post players of Jefferson and Millsap, would think that gives some weight to the person with a better jumper.
 
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