George Hill Update

[Getting Traded]

Starting to think Igor would be better coaching than Snyder ,I think Jazz are elite but big matchups they play tight ,still trying to pass when it's obvious the other team knows what you're doing .Best teams play loose ,Jazz don't play loose .

This is an understatement about playing tight. They were passing up open looks, forcing passes into spaces where there wasn't room, just making bad decisions all around. Their defense was good in the early going but their woeful offense just killed everything. Rudy was the only one who showed up to play. I think Hill will make a big difference in this. Hayward was truly disappointing. This is also where Alec can make a difference. When neither Hood or Hayward can get it going, we can go to Alec who we know can get to the rim and draw fouls and slow down things when teams like the Dubs start to get into a flow. Also, when we have both Rudy and a healthy Derrick playing we can punish them inside.

 

[fishonjazz]

junior son,at some point you'll realize Gobert's rise is jazz rise,not Snyder's coaching.I worry Dante will reject Snyder and won't want to sign with Utah

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

 

[RJF]

Hill a no go tonight.

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Maybe Dante isn't good?

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[Handlogten's Heros]

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

I'm losing confidence in Dantes all star potential. I think he will be a good player but I'm not seeing the amazing talent and upside.

Last game he was so uncomfortable and his turnovers always seem to lead to baskets the other way... I don't think I believe he's a good enough floor leader to be a great pg. I'm torn on whether we should move him and place our confidence in another prospect this offseason.

 

[fishonjazz]

I'm losing confidence in Dantes all star potential. I think he will be a good player but I'm not seeing the amazing talent and upside.

Last game he was so uncomfortable and his turnovers always seem to lead to baskets the other way... I don't think I believe he's a good enough floor leader to be a great pg. I'm torn on whether we should move him and place our confidence in another prospect this offseason.

I was never high on him coming into the draft and then seeing him in summer league and scrimmages I already started to worry.
Then his rookie year he played good D but was so scared of the paint and of contact..... my worries remained.
Then he had The Game in summer league and my hopes went up, though not as much as many around here. Then the injury.
This year I liked seeing more aggression and a few glimpses of pretty good play. Problem is that for every glimpse of good play there are 10 bad plays.
For every good attribute he has (speed, length, etc) he has an even worse bad attribute (broken shot, poor handle, soft as a kitten, bad body language, general awkwardness, lack of confidence, etc).

My ceiling for him is the same now as it was after his rookie year. Decent starter. I have hope for anything more than that.

A poster recently compared him to some dudes who I thought were pretty good comps (thabo, Tony Allen and a few others) but it's just sad that might be his ceiling after hearing so much hope around here from guys saying they thought he would be a superstar type player.

 

[Crawlnstall]

I was never high on him coming into the draft and then seeing him in summer league and scrimmages I already started to worry.
Then his rookie year he played good D but was so scared of the paint and of contact..... my worries remained.
Then he had The Game in summer league and my hopes went up, though not as much as many around here. Then the injury.
This year I liked seeing more aggression and a few glimpses of pretty good play. Problem is that for every glimpse of good play there are 10 bad plays.
For every good attribute he has (speed, length, etc) he has an even worse bad attribute (broken shot, poor handle, soft as a kitten, bad body language, general awkwardness, lack of confidence, etc).

My ceiling for him is the same now as it was after his rookie year. Decent starter. I have hope for anything more than that.

A poster recently compared him to some dudes who I thought were pretty good comps (thabo, Tony Allen and a few others) but it's just sad that might be his ceiling after hearing so much hope around here from guys saying they thought he would be a superstar type player.

I agree 100%
From the 2014 draft Exum was the last 'Top Prospect' I wanted the team to draft, in fact I was more happy about Hood than Exum. I didn't like the idea of making the tank season draft pick a young kid from Australia that had basically no film/scouting.
BUT I have to hope he is going to be an all star or near all star, but I really have a hard time seeing it. He is a great defender, but his offense just doesn't seem to be there....Hoping against hope that this is still 'rust' from missing last year. But his lack of confidence, turnovers and poor shooting is making it hard for me truly believe Exum will turn into what the Jazz need him to be for us to contend for a title.

 

[addictionary]

Maybe Dante isn't good?

Gobert is good and Snyder gets no credit.
Dante sucks? It's all quin snyders fault.

Did you know that Gobert was coached by Turkish basketball legend Erman Kunter at the French club Cholete Basket? I was always high on him and told everyone in here after his first SL game that he will cut Kanter but Ty sent him to DL. That pumped him tho. That is why I think Dante would benefit from DL.


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[Handlogten's Heros]

Did you know that Gobert was coached by Turkish basketball legend Erman Kunter at the French club Cholete Basket? I was always high on him and told everyone in here after his first SL game that he will cut Kanter but Ty sent him to DL. That pumped him tho. That is why I think Dante would benefit from DL.


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Mentally I feel Gobert is far superior to any of our players. He works and believes in himself almost to an unhealthy level. He also has the right amount of fire and it manifests itself in the best ways (unlike Cousins and sometimes Draymond). He's as unique mentally as he is physically.

Exum... IDK... that sums up everything about him IDK... no one knows. I'd rather cash out to someone that thinks they can mold him. Would be curious to know what Philly or Milwaukee would offer. If it was a good first rounder I'd think long and hard... if it was a good first rounder and a decent rotation player.. I'd be in.

 

[Siro]

I posted this in the wrong thread, but like fish, I've never bought into the Exum hype. He will never be a star. He doesn't have the mentality, and the skill gap he needs to cover is huge.

At the moment, I'd be ecstatic if he ever became a solid, reliable starter.

 

[Jazz4ever]

I posted this in the wrong thread, but like fish, I've never bought into the Exum hype. He will never be a star. He doesn't have the mentality, and the skill gap he needs to cover is huge.

At the moment, I'd be ecstatic if he ever became a solid, reliable starter.

Yep, but what's interesting is he aced all the psyche tests he was given pre draft. Where did it all go wrong....

"The teams that got to interview him and do the (psychological) testing on them said that he tested off the charts," Ford said. "When you add that to an NBA style frame, those guys tend to not fail in the NBA."

https://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/06/2014_nba_draft_is_dante_exum_the_next_kobe_bryant.html

 

[Siro]

Yep, but what's interesting is he aced all the psyche tests he was given pre draft. Where did it all go wrong....

"The teams that got to interview him and do the (psychological) testing on them said that he tested off the charts," Ford said. "When you add that to an NBA style frame, those guys tend to not fail in the NBA."

https://www.nj.com/sixers/index.ssf/2014/06/2014_nba_draft_is_dante_exum_the_next_kobe_bryant.html

What do they screen for? I think they probably look for good character traits, like getting along with others and working hard. It ain't easy screening for killer instinct.