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Paul George has probably mentally checked out because he knows the best years of his team are completely behind him and now Larry Bird is going to leave him struggling to make the 6-8th seed for the rest of his career. Must be hard to stay motivated.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They had a great shooting starting lineup. All 3 of their perimeter players were above 35% from deep on volume attempts and David West was one of the best midrange shooting PF's in the NBA.
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Yeah, I'm going to just go ahead and disagree. When comparing them to other playoff teams and contenders their offense and spacing was pretty weak. They started Stephenson, George, and Hibbert. The former two were also the best options as playmakers on the team. They had far less playmaking, shooting, and spacing than other teams. I'm gonna guess teams were more than fine sagging off Stephenson and George in those days instead of letting them use their superior size and athleticism inside the paint. George has also improved as a shooter since those years with Lance and co.

Were they a spread you out kind of offense? Did they play outside-in? No way.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think i liked, in order, cole adrich (I think cause we needed a big at the time), ed davis, luke babbitt so im obviously an idiot.
If i remember that draft correctly.

Hated the hayward pick and have kind of been what could be called a hayward hater i guess up until this year. He has won me over finally. Better late than never i guess.


Edit: Not sure if hasaan whiteside was in that draft or not. If so he was my 1st choice. I remember wanting the jazz to draft him with their pick in whatever draft he was in.
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Yes. White side was in that draft. He was thought as a top 10-15 prospect, then for reasons I can't explain he began to fall in draft rankings and ended up in the second round.
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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No!! Hayward was not just the better player now but always! The jazz were right to draft him over PG.
 
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Yeah, I'm going to just go ahead and disagree. When comparing them to other playoff teams and contenders their offense and spacing was pretty weak. They started Stephenson, George, and Hibbert. The former two were also the best options as playmakers on the team. They had far less playmaking, shooting, and spacing than other teams. I'm gonna guess teams were more than fine sagging off Stephenson and George in those days instead of letting them use their superior size and athleticism inside the paint. George has also improved as a shooter since those years with Lance and co.

Were they a spread you out kind of offense? Did they play outside-in? No way.
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https://www.espn.com/nba/statistics...threePointFieldGoalPct/year/2014/seasontype/3
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
https://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/1143/roy-hibbert/shotchart/

https://vorped.com/1-nba/2014-2015/player/968/david-west/shotchart/

So their spacing sucked, right? Lmao, excuses. Paul George just sucked as a creator.
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Yeah, Paul George and Stephenson were their best creators. That's already been stated by me. Doesn't that make their spacing suck? If you don't have great shooters or playmakers your spacing will suck. Probabaly why they only averaged 91 some pts a game that year. 91 pts a game, with that awesome offensive supporting cast for PG. Hayward probabaly would have been much better in that offense...
 
Indiana's starting line-up had great spacing, to argue otherwise is ridiculous. They had 3 good 3pt shooters who could all create and two bigs who could all step out of the paint and knock down midrange shots. David West was an elite midrange shooter. Dont give me this garbage about spacing. Vogel sucked as an offensive coach and PG has never been a great creator IMO.
 
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