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candrew said:
Wow - we are WAY past due on someone dredging up a 4 year old thread about how The Jazz FO blew it drafting GH or PG
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I think i liked, in order, cole adrich (I think cause we needed a big at the time), ed davis, luke babbitt so im obviously an idiot.
If i remember that draft correctly.

Hated the hayward pick and have kind of been what could be called a hayward hater i guess up until this year. He has won me over finally. Better late than never i guess.


Edit: Not sure if hasaan whiteside was in that draft or not. If so he was my 1st choice. I remember wanting the jazz to draft him with their pick in whatever draft he was in.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think i liked, in order, cole adrich (I think cause we needed a big at the time), ed davis, luke babbitt so im obviously an idiot.
If i remember that draft correctly.

Hated the hayward pick and have kind of been what could be called a hayward hater i guess up until this year. He has won me over finally. Better late than never i guess.
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Nobodies perfect. I thought Aldrich would be a major bust - like a "in Europe within 3 years bust".

I think it's the intangibles that no one saw coming - nobody figured GH would have a "Jordanesque" like work ethic. If they say they did six years ago they'd probably be lying.
 
I remember when people used to lament the fact that we took Hayward when George was still on the board. And I have to agree that George hit his stride faster and probably was an all around better player early on. I did always feel however that George was too ball dominant and that Hayward was a better fit for us early on even when he struggled more with his offense. At this juncture however, I believe that Hayward is clearly the better all around player. I talked to some huge NBA fans yesterday (Laker and Clipper fans) and they both felt that Hayward is now the better player. One voiced the opinion that George has not been the same since the broken leg.
 
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
 
RJF said:
Hayward. I don't see much of George play but it seems Hayward is a more well rounded player. Like someone said earlier, PG seems to have fallen off on D, for whatever reason.
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For whatever reason,

Lmao
 
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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True. But that leg break did in fact happen. So its not our fault that it happened and we are taking it into consideration when comparing the two right now. For whatever reasons/excuses most of us think that hayward is the better player right now.
 
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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Right, in 15 years I've never seen a single thread on here from someone looking for vindication.
 
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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And Grant Hill would have been one of the greatest of all time if his prime wasnt cut short by injuries but we live in reality and not Peter Pan land.
 
And he had his best year ever directly off of injury, so I don't think it has held him back that much if at all. It may have presented a speed bump in his development, but to blame that for his decline after a career year seems inaccurate.
 
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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Paul George's most efficient season came in 2015-16 - AFTER he snapped his leg in half. And he still wasn't as efficient as Hayward has been this season.

So, yeah.
 
Paul George "peaked earlier" because he didn't have to deal with a cast of John Lucas III, Trey Burkah, Mo Williams, Jamal Tinsley, Josh Howard, and Shelvin Mack starting next to him. Hayward didn't have a single shooting threat on the perimeter next to him (apart from the defensively incompetent Randy Foye) through basically his first five seasons.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
And he had his best year ever directly off of injury, so I don't think it has held him back that much if at all. It may have presented a speed bump in his development, but to blame that for his decline after a career year seems inaccurate.
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Great point. I'd say over the last couple of years, Hayward closed the gap. This season he's clearly better.

I think I proposed trading back for Whiteside or drafting Henry. Obviously KOC was right. Couldnt have gone wrong with either George or Hayward.
 
dalamon said:
Paul George "peaked earlier" because he didn't have to deal with a cast of John Lucas III, Trey Burkah, Mo Williams, Jamal Tinsley, Josh Howard, and Shelvin Mack starting next to him. Hayward didn't have a single shooting threat on the perimeter next to him (apart from the defensively incompetent Randy Foye) through basically his first five seasons.
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What are you talking about? He had the great Trey Jesus Burke or whatever you named him. He was like the greatest player ever. No excuses.
 
dalamon said:
Paul George "peaked earlier" because he didn't have to deal with a cast of John Lucas III, Trey Burkah, Mo Williams, Jamal Tinsley, Josh Howard, and Shelvin Mack starting next to him. Hayward didn't have a single shooting threat on the perimeter next to him (apart from the defensively incompetent Randy Foye) through basically his first five seasons.
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PG definitely had a way better supporting cast, but he also had very little shooting around him. That was kinda the downfall of those Indiana teams imo - lack of offense and shooting. He is a more explosive athlete (at least, he was early on, probabaly had better measurables and stuff) and I think that may have allowed him to impact the game more than Hayward early on, while both were honing their skills.
 
8 said:
PG definitely had a way better supporting cast, but he also had very little shooting around him. That was kinda the downfall of those Indiana teams imo - lack of offense and shooting. He is a more explosive athlete (at least, he was early on, probabaly had better measurables and stuff) and I think that may have allowed him to impact the game more than Hayward early on, while both were honing their skills.
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They had a great shooting starting lineup. All 3 of their perimeter players were above 35% from deep on volume attempts and David West was one of the best midrange shooting PF's in the NBA.
 
Paul George has probably mentally checked out because he knows the best years of his team are completely behind him and now Larry Bird is going to leave him struggling to make the 6-8th seed for the rest of his career. Must be hard to stay motivated.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
They had a great shooting starting lineup. All 3 of their perimeter players were above 35% from deep on volume attempts and David West was one of the best midrange shooting PF's in the NBA.
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Yeah, I'm going to just go ahead and disagree. When comparing them to other playoff teams and contenders their offense and spacing was pretty weak. They started Stephenson, George, and Hibbert. The former two were also the best options as playmakers on the team. They had far less playmaking, shooting, and spacing than other teams. I'm gonna guess teams were more than fine sagging off Stephenson and George in those days instead of letting them use their superior size and athleticism inside the paint. George has also improved as a shooter since those years with Lance and co.

Were they a spread you out kind of offense? Did they play outside-in? No way.
 
fishonjazz said:
I think i liked, in order, cole adrich (I think cause we needed a big at the time), ed davis, luke babbitt so im obviously an idiot.
If i remember that draft correctly.

Hated the hayward pick and have kind of been what could be called a hayward hater i guess up until this year. He has won me over finally. Better late than never i guess.


Edit: Not sure if hasaan whiteside was in that draft or not. If so he was my 1st choice. I remember wanting the jazz to draft him with their pick in whatever draft he was in.
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Yes. White side was in that draft. He was thought as a top 10-15 prospect, then for reasons I can't explain he began to fall in draft rankings and ended up in the second round.
Computer said:
Wow. This thread is hilarious. Yeah, easy to say Hayward now while completely forgetting and dismissing the fact that Paul George snapped his leg right in half not that long ago. Hayward has surely made some nice strides, but I think Paul George hit a snag in his development wouldnt you say?
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No!! Hayward was not just the better player now but always! The jazz were right to draft him over PG.
 
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