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Disappointing facts: Jazz vs. Playoff Teams

fishonjazz said:
So that would mean that teams like memphis, clippers, and okc are losing to non playoff teams more often than the jazz right?

Would it be better if we beat memphis and okc but were losing to Sacramento and the 76ers?
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Not only that but it appears we are 1-1 against playoff teams with a full roster. That is .500 last I checked.
 
gregbroncs said:
Not only that but it appears we are 1-1 against playoff teams with a full roster. That is .500 last I checked.
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For comparison purposes with a couple of other playoff race "peers" (that's for you Unborn Gore) let's examine injuries further:

As of January 29, 2017:
Player games missed due to injury:
Miami 159
Philadelphia 143
Memphis 132
Utah 104
Toronto 103
Dallas 102
LA Clippers 94

https://www.mangameslost.com/nba-games-missed-due-injury-january-29-2017/
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Memphis has suffered more missed games due to injury than the Jazz, yet they have a better record vs. playoff teams than us.
The Clippers have suffered nearly the same number of missed games due to injury as the Jazz, yet they also have a better record vs. playoff teams than us.
As far as the quality of the players that are lost via injury is concerned, from a VORP (value over replacement player) metric, the Clippers have suffered more than anyone as their missed games involve superstar level players.
How is it that these teams can withstand injuries and still have a winning record vs. Playoff teams, but we need to rely on the injury excuse to explain our poor record vs. Playoff teams?
 
akirac73 said:
For comparison purposes with a couple of other playoff race "peers" (that's for you Unborn Gore) let's examine injuries further:

As of January 29, 2017:
Player games missed due to injury:
Miami 159
Philadelphia 143
Memphis 132
Utah 104
Toronto 103
Dallas 102
LA Clippers 94

https://www.mangameslost.com/nba-games-missed-due-injury-january-29-2017/
(may need to register to see this article, but it's free)

Memphis has suffered more missed games due to injury than the Jazz, and they have a worse record than us.
The Clippers have suffered nearly the same number of missed games due to injury as the Jazz, yet they also have a better record vs. playoff teams than us.
As far as the quality of the players that are lost via injury is concerned, from a VORP (value over replacement player) metric, the Clippers have suffered more than anyone as their missed games involve superstar level players.
How is it that these teams can withstand injuries and still have a winning record vs. Playoff teams, but we need to rely on the injury excuse to explain our poor record vs. Playoff teams?
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Fixed.
 
As quin Snyder said when asked about the jazz poor record against playoff teams "I didn't even know about it. I do know we are 7-3 in our last 10."
 
fishonjazz said:
As quin Snyder said when asked about the jazz poor record against playoff teams "I didn't even know about it. I do know we are 7-3 in our last 10."
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nevertheless, it's been frustrating to see our indifferent play, the way the Rox are going 3rd seed could be up for grabs for whoever really picks it up. I'm less optimistic atm unless we start playing noticably better in the next 10 games.
 
fishonjazz said:
As quin Snyder said when asked about the jazz poor record against playoff teams "I didn't even know about it. I do know we are 7-3 in our last 10."
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nevertheless, it's been frustrating to see our indifferent play, the way the Rox are going 3rd seed could be up for grabs for whoever really picks it up. I'm less optimistic atm unless we start playing noticably better in the next 10 games.
 
DownUnder said:
nevertheless, it's been frustrating to see our indifferent play, the way the Rox are going 3rd seed could be up for grabs for whoever really picks it up. I'm less optimistic atm unless we start playing noticably better in the next 10 games.
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Eh, I have not been frustrated with this season at all. Especially considering the injuries.
We have an all star plus another guy very deserving.
We have an above average starting caliber pg.
We have a coach who I have heard mentioned in coach of the year discussions.
We will be in the playoffs! And have a good shot at homecourt advantage in a stacked western conference!
Top 10 ranked offense and defense!
Lots of national recognition.
A guy in the top of the league in three point shooting.
Tons of depth.
Veteran experience and leadership.
Positional versatility.
Have not even had to use any of our future assets to achieve all this either so we still have tons of picks plus salary cap room plus lots of players on good contracts to improve things if there are any deals to be had to make us better.
And we are finally almost healthy.

This season has been fantastic imo and I think it's just going to get better.
 
fishonjazz said:
Eh, I have not been frustrated with this season at all. Especially considering the injuries.
We have an all star plus another guy very deserving.
We have an above average starting caliber pg.
We have a coach who I have heard mentioned in coach of the year discussions.
We will be in the playoffs! And have a good shot at homecourt advantage in a stacked western conference!
Top 10 ranked offense and defense!
Lots of national recognition.
A guy in the top of the league in three point shooting.
Tons of depth.
Veteran experience and leadership.
Positional versatility.
Have not even had to use any of our future assets to achieve all this either so we still have tons of picks plus salary cap room plus lots of players on good contracts to improve things if there are any deals to be had to make us better.
And we are finally almost healthy.

This season has been fantastic imo and I think it's just going to get better.
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all good, i haven't been frustrated at all until maybe the last 5-6 games, even the games we've won. For some reason i'm just feeling the need to temper my expectations. Then again that might change if/once we click into gear and play as well as i think we can.
 
There's a tweet showing who we are missing in our loses v .500+ teams. It's obviously a big negative factor.
 
akirac73 said:
Jazz have an amazing record vs. non-playoff teams: 21-3, and pretty bad record
vs. playoff teams: 9-16

I found this to be disappointing:

Jazz record vs. Playoff Teams when:
Trailing at the end of the 1st Quarter: 0-8
Trailing at Halftime: 1-13
Trailing at the end of the 3rd Quarter: 0-12

Final Score point differential vs. Playoff teams when:
Trailing at the end of the 1st Quarter: -11.4 (Jazz 90.3, Opp 101.6)
Trailing at Halftime: -9.2 (Jazz 90.6, Opp 99.9)
Trailing at the end of the 3rd Quarter: -11.5 (Jazz 89.3, Opp 100.8)

Conclusion:
When playoff teams jump on us early, you can stick a fork in the Jazz...game over.

This sucks...
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It's definitely disconcerting but if you drill down into those games on the losing side, how many times did the Jazz have injured starting players? I haven't gone through this thread to see if this has been brought up.
 
cleveland just lost to dallas but at least dallas isn't a playoff team and is almost in last place in the west so that probably makes cleveland fans happier with the loss than if it would have been to a good team.
 
VINYLONE said:
It's definitely disconcerting but if you drill down into those games on the losing side, how many times did the Jazz have injured starting players?
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We have only had all of our starters for 2 games against playoff teams (we won 1 and lost 1), so almost all of those games were with us missing starters.
 
In the latest NBA Power Rankings by Bleacher Report's Grant Hughes the Utah Jazz jumped three spots, up to No. 3.

Of Utah's recent play, he wrote, "The Utah Jazz haven't been world-beaters lately, but they're not so far removed from a six-game winning streak that ended Monday. And it's easy to rationalize a pair of losses, one that came via a Russell Westbrook game-winner and another in Denver on the second night of a back-to-back set."

Hughes continued, "Boasting a 15-3 record in games when both Gordon Hayward and George Hill play, Utah's only clear weakness remains health. And with Alec Burks returning to the fold (and showing an athletic burst nobody else on the roster can touch), the Jazz are as close to whole as they've been all season."

https://www.deseretnews.com/article...power-rankings-Whittingham-Sitake-ranked.html
 
Yeah its January in the nba. Worst basketball of the year

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