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What if Hayward doesn't re-sign?

Saint Cy of JFC said:
No dude, every rookie is a super-star waiting to happen.

Though I do feel that way about Fultz, but Ball's hype train is eerily reminiscent to D.Russell's and he isnt exactly lighting the league up.
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I think Lebron was the only rookie (maybe a couple 4 year college guys that were already close to their peak) to really help his team win his rookie year that I can think of in a long time. Especially #1 draft picks. Many become good but even Futlz is unlikely to help us for a couple years.
 
We can't win a title with what we got. By the time Exum and Lyles are ready, Favors and Hill likely gone. Hayward is great, but the Celtics are such a great fit. If we get destroyed by LAC...

We are at such a promising time yet so much uncertainty. We control so little.

Just thinking outside the box

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Saint Cy of JFC said:
Even then, we have we signed a good starting level FA? Boozer and Okur about it.
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After reading your post and taking it into consideration I still make the trade.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No dude, every rookie is a super-star waiting to happen.

Though I do feel that way about Fultz, but Ball's hype train is eerily reminiscent to D.Russell's and he isnt exactly lighting the league up.
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Didn't someone ask you if you would do the trade if the pick was fultz?
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
No dude, every rookie is a super-star waiting to happen.

Though I do feel that way about Fultz, but Ball's hype train is eerily reminiscent to D.Russell's and he isnt exactly lighting the league up.
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DRuss averaged 19.3 on 41.1% from three with 5.0 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 1.6 steals and 2.9 turnovers.

Ball is averaging 15.4 on 43.0% from three with 7.6 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.9 steals and 2.6 turnovers.

The minutes played difference is nominal. Ball is clearly the better point guard (by a mile), rebounds better, gets more steals and shoots better from 3. Russell scored more because he needed to on a mediocre team but Ball is the clear better prospect imo.
 
[MENTION=253]Saint Cy of JFC[/MENTION], I recall you saying Jackson will be the best player in the draft. We'd be guaranteed one of Ball, Fultz, or Jackson pretty much.

This is purely hypothetical and I would much rather have Hayward w/ an extension than any of these guys. You only do it if you feel strongly that he won't re-sign.


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Wes Mantooth said:
Lulz at Ball's dad being cool with his son playing in Quin's slow, restrained system.
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Could quin alter his system? I'm not familiar with teams he coached on pre jazz. Did any of his previous teams play at a faster pace?
 
Wes Mantooth said:
DRuss averaged 19.3 on 41.1% from three with 5.0 assists, 5.7 rebounds, 1.6 steals and 2.9 turnovers.

Ball is averaging 15.4 on 43.0% from three with 7.6 assists, 6.1 rebounds, 1.9 steals and 2.6 turnovers.

The minutes played difference is nominal. Ball is clearly the better point guard (by a mile), rebounds better, gets more steals and shoots better from 3. Russell scored more because he needed to on a mediocre team but Ball is the clear better prospect imo.
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Yeah and guess who had much more talent around him? Lonzo Ball.

Name me a NBA player on Russell's Ohio State team.
 
Its really hard to say who will be a star. I trust our fo. This all comes down to Hayward. If he can't/won't commit, we gotta think about it. Boston can compete now with Hayward, we got more developing to do.

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fishonjazz said:
Could quin alter his system? I'm not familiar with teams he coached on pre jazz. Did any of his previous teams play at a faster pace?
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Yeah. There's not enough emphasis put on the separation between the system and the personnel here.. The PG's in place especially Hill and Mack aren't exactly burners.. With Ball, who's electric, there will be much more acceleration involved.
 
LoPo said:
Its really hard to say who will be a star. I trust our fo. This all comes down to Hayward. If he can't/won't commit, we gotta think about it. Boston can compete now with Hayward, we got more developing to do.

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I'd argue the stars are much easier to spot in this draft compared to many of the recent ones..
 
PG_AB said:
Yeah. There's not enough emphasis put on the separation between the system and the personnel here.. The PG's in place especially Hill and Mack aren't exactly burners.. With Ball, who's electric, there will be much more acceleration involved.
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It seems like when burks and exum are in the game together the pace speeds up.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
I acknowledged he was on a mediocre team.
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You acknowledged he was on a mediocre team and he had to score more which is why he had more points. The point you should have made is that Lonzo Ball is on a stacked team that plays at a close to NBA pace that makes it easy for him to get stats. If Russell was on that team he would have had much better stats than Ball. The way you framed it was wrong IMO. Ball is being overrated because of social media and the hype surrounding his dad/family.
 
LoPo said:
Its really hard to say who will be a star. I trust our fo. This all comes down to Hayward. If he can't/won't commit, we gotta think about it. Boston can compete now with Hayward, we got more developing to do.

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The Celts are 37-20 in the crappy east.

We are 35-22 in the brutal West.

Yep, time to concede. Hayward for Amir Johnson and front row tix to some Sox games.
 
Saint Cy of JFC said:
You acknowledged he was on a mediocre team and he had to score more which is why he had more points. The point you should have made is that Lonzo Ball is on a stacked team that plays at a close to NBA pace that makes it easy for him to get stats. If Russell was on that team he would have had much better stats than Ball. The way you framed it was wrong IMO. Ball is being overrated because of social media and the hype surrounding his dad/family.
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Excuse me for being an adult and holding my baby and having one free hand to text. Next time, I'll make sure to wait til I have better time and accessibility or run it by you first to make sure you're cool with my posts.
 
People seem to forget that Russell was an amazing passer in college. I really think Lonzo is going to struggle against NBA defenses and won't be able to play the same way he did in college. Will have to become more of a shooter/scorer like Russell has had to become.
 
Wes Mantooth said:
The Celts are 37-20 in the crappy east.

We are 35-22 in the brutal West.

Yep, time to concede. Hayward for Amir Johnson and front row tix to some Sox games.
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You're missing the point. Boston is the same or better (see our recent h2h result) WITHOUT Hayward. With him, they are so much better. And with Boston, he avoids the "brutal west." You're making my case for me Munson.

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