Tony Jones: Favors and Jazz unlikely to reach an agreement on renegotiation and extension
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Come on, this is not clever at all and you know it. With Gobert looming so large and Favors 1/having physical issues 2/commanding a big pay day and the team 3/having to pays Hayward and Hill... not reaching an agreement with Favors was likely.
Now you can say "but mom ! we should have traded him then".. And what for ? Do you just dump Favors for a second round pick and garbage ??? No you keep him until the end of the season because he is a very good player who can help you go deep in the playoffs.
Sometimes in a situation like this, playing a player until he expires and then letting him walk is actually the most responsible thing to do.
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Salt Lake Tribune - Utah Jazz, forward Derrick Favors unlikely to agree on extension before deadline
Oklahoma City • With the deadline looming Tuesday, the Utah Jazz and starting power forward Derrick Favors are unlikely to come to terms on a renegotiation and extension of his contract, Favors’ agent Wallace Prather tells The Salt Lake Tribune. “I don’t see it,” Prather told The Tribune via text message. The Jazz have $13.6 million in cap space, and are currently $4 million below the salary cap floor. Favors’ current contract expires after next season. The former Georgia Tech star has had a ...
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/4990265-155/utah-jazz-forward-derrick-favors-unlikely
Oklahoma City • With the deadline looming Tuesday, the Utah Jazz and starting power forward Derrick Favors are unlikely to come to terms on a renegotiation and extension of his contract, Favors’ agent Wallace Prather tells The Salt Lake Tribune. “I don’t see it,” Prather told The Tribune via text message. The Jazz have $13.6 million in cap space, and are currently $4 million below the salary cap floor. Favors’ current contract expires after next season. The former Georgia Tech star has had a ...
https://www.sltrib.com/sports/4990265-155/utah-jazz-forward-derrick-favors-unlikely
It's not just Favors. It's Hill too. I wouldn't mind us using it on either of them. It seems like we won't be able to use it at all now. Also, I think you are mistaking me for somebody else - I don't want to get rid off Favors now and definitely not for cents on the dollar. I wanted to use the money we can afford now, so we can strike a deal that's going to be a bargain in the future.
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Three things. . .
01. "Not likely" isn't the same as "no deal". The NBA is a deadline based business. I'd wait until they actually fail to come to terms before getting pissed off about it.
02. The Jazz could still use some of that cap space to add a depth guy like Bogut or Casspi here for a stretch run.
03. Cap space makes draft day trades easier to pull off. While matching salaries can be utilized, you have to have cap space in order to complete a trade. Take the Hill trade for example. . . Indy and Atlanta both needed to trade a player with a certain cap # in order to complete that, but the Jazz could just send out a pick or other cheap asset because they had the cap space from last year to facilitate that deal.
Still lots of room to maneuver, and it's better to have options than not.
01. "Not likely" isn't the same as "no deal". The NBA is a deadline based business. I'd wait until they actually fail to come to terms before getting pissed off about it.
02. The Jazz could still use some of that cap space to add a depth guy like Bogut or Casspi here for a stretch run.
03. Cap space makes draft day trades easier to pull off. While matching salaries can be utilized, you have to have cap space in order to complete a trade. Take the Hill trade for example. . . Indy and Atlanta both needed to trade a player with a certain cap # in order to complete that, but the Jazz could just send out a pick or other cheap asset because they had the cap space from last year to facilitate that deal.
Still lots of room to maneuver, and it's better to have options than not.
Good. We don't need more money locked into longterm contracts yet. After they re-sign Hayward and possibly Hill this summer they will be to stick around the salary cap. Possibly get back under it to keep some flexibility by shedding a few contracts in trades around draft time.
True, but when it says "not likely", the chances are not great.
That would be extremely underwhelming use of that capspace. Also, isn't Casspi out for the season? Or did I miss something?
This is not exactly good news. We cannot afford to absorb future money with Hayward and Hill pending contracts. The only reason to take on future money on draft day without sending out about the same would be if sometime between end of the season and draft day Hayward tells them he's out(in which case Hill will probably follow) and thus we won't be needing the money and we can try to do some trade of the sort Burks+picks for ... Batum to try to salvage the team's chances to compete the following year.
I don't like the options... at all!
The whole point of using this money now is that this is money we can afford now and money we cannot afford in the future. If you want to sign Hill in the summer, it's much better to give him 14M now in exchange for a discount in the future years, making our cap situation more manageable for the next several years.
Mh, I think Favors versatility to play both big positions, commitment to smart play, defense, switch and extend his range/skill level make him worth at least 18. If he's more or less healthy next year that's what I expect him to command at least in free agency.
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Jazz are probably low-balling the hell out of Favors in negotiations.
He already extended once on a deal that dollar for production was one of the best in the NBA up until this year. The Stockton/Hornacek days are long gone - starting players always believe they can get better.
I don't blame him at all for waiting it out.
He already extended once on a deal that dollar for production was one of the best in the NBA up until this year. The Stockton/Hornacek days are long gone - starting players always believe they can get better.
I don't blame him at all for waiting it out.
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This is my only big complaint on DL... has underutilized cap space twice.
I complained about this last week and was called whiny and was told I hated our team... which couldn't be further from the truth. I would actually see if we could pony up the full 13 M this year and max out Hill for the next three years. Move Burks in the offseason... maybe Favs. I think Hill is worth the money but the years scare me.
When you are offering an extension you are hoping for value, not offering his straight value. Discount for injuries and discount for positional depth (the league is saturated with bigs right now). Not saying Favors isnt a special player when he is healthy with his defensive versatility, but not many teams want to play his style of player at 4 and a lot of teams already had a high paid good starting 5 or young and promising starting 5. Very few teams need a big man. That is why you saw a dude like Nerlens Noel go for two second rounders (part of the reason at least).
Nah, you are definitely whiny. He left cap-space open hoping he could get an extension done and it didnt happen. The Jazz made trade offers involving 1st round picks (according to Locke) and it didnt work out. DL isn't a fortune teller, he can't full predict the future to know how to spend every dollar as efficiently as possible.
Super big risk for him tho. If he has another injury plagued season next year (specifically the same injury issues) he might not see a lot of value on the market. The FA dollars are shrinking as top tier players get paid a larger % of the cap and money for bigs is more scarce with teams shifting towards valuing wings and rise of young big men in the NBA.
His agent legitimately ****ed up last time (that or Favors just really wanted to get an extension done cuz he really liked Utah) when it came to forecasting the FA market.
Hill made clear he didn't want to negotiate an extension when we traded for him. And signing Favors to an extension now kills the teams flexibility moving forward. It basically locks the Jazz into this current team after Hayward and Hill re-sign. By summer 2018 we would be way over the cap. By waiting the Jazz give themselves about a year to decide if there's a different path that is better for the team.