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Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

The Jazz Wonderbra said:
Folks... ya'lls are freaking out unnecessarily.

Look, if you were George Hill would you take $13.5 million/yr plus a $14 million extension now? Or $20 million per year x 4 years. That's $80 million vs. $68 million. I don't think it's that hard of a decision for Hill. He has played well enough this season to justify a big salary in a league that over pays at every turn.

He wants to be here now. He likes playing for us. He hasn't been considered 'The Man' in Indiana or in San Antone. The grass is not often greener, but the pay raise is real.
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13 on top of the 8 he's already making. If he doesn't extend that 13 million is gone. Where did you get the idea that the Jazz were offering 14 per after this season? I haven't read that anywhere.
 
Dante's great D is a myth. He turns his body and overplays one side and relies on Gobert to cover his *** on the other. Watch the Washington game. He was beaten like a drum. In his last rotation, Gobert was coming up, then the pass would go behind Rudy.

We lose Hill and I think we lose Hayward.

Penny wise, pound foolish. If Hill walks and Hayward leaves, it will be on Lindsey. And I'll be done with his GM foolishness. Remember, it will also represent another lottery pick that he wasted.
 
How do people know that keeping Hill has any effect whatsoever on keeping Hayward? That's something fans invented and said enough times it seems like some sort of actual thing when no one has the slightest clue if Hayward gives half a **** about Hill's contract situation.
 
Bulletproof said:
How do people know that keeping Hill has any effect whatsoever on keeping Hayward? That's something fans invented and said enough times it seems like some sort of actual thing when no one has the slightest clue if Hayward gives half a **** about Hill's contract situation.
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Because losing our 2nd leading scorer might have him feeling a kind of way?
 
Bulletproof said:
How do people know that keeping Hill has any effect whatsoever on keeping Hayward? That's something fans invented and said enough times it seems like some sort of actual thing when no one has the slightest clue if Hayward gives half a **** about Hill's contract situation.
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Having a good PG, one that you have had some success with, is an attractive piece.
 
We don't Bulletproof. But we do know the two are very good friends. We also know Hayward wants to win. So I think Hill leaving would HAVE to cause Gordon to doubt. The Jazz would certainly take a step backwards. It's not like Exum is going to become a fringe all-star. He's barely a fringe 2nd-stringer.
 
Bulletproof said:
How do people know that keeping Hill has any effect whatsoever on keeping Hayward? That's something fans invented and said enough times it seems like some sort of actual thing when no one has the slightest clue if Hayward gives half a **** about Hill's contract situation.
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Maybe because having a starting PG >> not having a starting PG in the mind of Hayward? Of course that might not be correct, but it's relatively safe assumption, methinks.
 
♪alt13 said:
That leak was certainly from Hill's agent. It's still early in the day, perhaps he's just trying to make DL sweat. I doubt he believes Hill can get a better offer elsewhere.
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This is exactly what I thought. I think this deal gets done because the incentives for all three parties are in line by overpaying Hill.

The Jazz can benefit from paying Hill more than he would get on the market because they have about $4M that they will have to pay in order to reach the salary floor. This means that they can overpay Hill by that amount and it is "free". Next, assuming Hill's market value is below 3 years at $88M, by including $13M of the market value in this year's salary they can structure a deal which underpays in subsequent years. This will create a future asset and provides flexibility (because they can trade it away if needed). Additionally, a deal would provide value as a signal to Gordon.

Second, Hill's new agent is incentivized to get this deal done because if he turns down an offer that is better than what Hill can get later on the open market his reputation will be damaged.

Finally, Hill will be happy with an over payment because he makes more money!

So you see, all parties gain from an over payment, and equally important, everyone is a looser from not getting the deal done.
 
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If we lose Hill then I 100% want to draft Mitchell with our 1st pick, would even trade up with the Warriors pick to do so if it was necessary.
 
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