Jazz, George Hill taking contract talks down to wire

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  1. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I think it's too easy to cherry pick someone later even though they weren't considered there. Honestly if the guys actually discussed for the pick that were available the guy I like most now is Skal.

    Hernangomez is the guy I'd probably take with hindsight but I wasn't even thinking of him for us at all. It was a worthwhile shot. If we don't have Hill we probably still make the playoffs but we didn't know the bottom of the west would turn to poop.
     
  2. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Agreed but I felt like I got teased... not cool.
     
  3. ONE LOVE

    ONE LOVE #Baby_Talk Staff Member

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    I know it's cherry picking. But people keep saying 'Taurean Prince, Taurean Prince'. He's the guy Atlanta pick, not us.
     
  4. NAOS

    NAOS Well-Known Member

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    **I guess us bishes can keep pedaling in a forward direction, amiright??**
     
  5. Stifle Tower

    Stifle Tower Punch Bowl Re-Filler

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    Lulz. How many titles did MJ win before he had a supporting cast? How about Lebron in his first stint with Cleveland. No ONE player (or even two) can carry a team to a title.

    And, mr. brain dead, how would we be getting the Boston pick? Hayward will be an unrestricted FA. Jazz don't get a thing, other than cap space if he leaves.
     
  6. Ostertag>Duncan

    Ostertag>Duncan My Members Premium Contributor 2019 Award Winner

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    Stifle, I like you man but your chicken little **** with Hayward for the last few months is grating. Hayward is grown man and his decision to stay isn't going to flip on a dime for every little occurrence. If he was a jazzfanz member I'm about 99% confident he'd be the most rational and stable person here.
     
  7. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Hopefully we get more information but I think it was Hills decision not ours. I think we pushed most if not all of what we had in the middle and it just wasn't enough.
     
  8. ♪alt13

    ♪alt13 Well-Known Member

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    Doubtful. He'd have signed if they had offered all that they could. Why would he engage in talks if he had no interest in what he knew was the max that they could extend him for. The FO probably low balled him.
     
  9. Saint Cy of JFC

    Saint Cy of JFC Well-Known Member

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    The report was the agent declined because he though he could get better offers in FA.
     
  10. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    I had a theory I laid out somewhere, but I think it's some agent BS. Supposedly he was looking for a new agent or in between a month or two ago. I wonder if he went in just to start the conversation and the agent has him convinced he will get more. And the agent may be on a fee basis not commission basis...

    I just can't see the Jazz thinking the difference in what the can offer and what he will get on the open market is so different that they'd risk it. I mean 4M of the contract would basically be free because of the floor.

    I would think the value of certainty would be huge when you are walking into negotiations with Hayward.

    You may be right though... DL seems unwavering on his belief in Dante... maybe he thinks he will pass up Hill in a year or two... I don't think he will... ever. Would love to be wrong though.
     
  11. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Right I just don't know if is a can't offer more issue or won't offer more issue.

    I think most on the board will likely lose their minds when they see what Hill will get.
     
  12. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    Good post
     
  13. Stifle Tower

    Stifle Tower Punch Bowl Re-Filler

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    Why is it Chicken Little? I think it's been reported that his decision will come down to Utah or Boston? It's not a little occurrence to have Hill vs. Exum as the starting PG. Boston is already a contender in the East. Hayward might put them on equal footing to Cleveland.

    If Hill leaves, Utah potentially takes a huge step backwards at PG, which means a step backwards in the standings. It's something I bet Hayward will consider. Wouldn't you in his position?
     
  14. fishonjazz

    fishonjazz Well-Known Member Contributor 2019 Award Winner 2018 Award Winner

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    I like loowawaau or whatever. He has sucked
     
  15. Handlogten's Heros

    Handlogten's Heros Well-Known Member 2019 Award Winner

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    Yeah he was going to be awesome... I thought. Still might.

    I really liked wade baldwin and he's been dog poop. Never know but I thought he'd be an okay 8-10 minute guy a night.

    This year's rookie class is awful.
     
  16. Jazz4ever

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    You have no idea what was offered. None of us do. It could have been 3/50.
     
  17. Lord Bullingdon

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    As far as the 2016 re-draft convo is concerned I'm still gonna say Ivica Zubac looks like the player with the most upside.

    Hernangomez would've been EXCELLENT
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BEiobUL0fyI
    I do like the Skal idea. There's a few candidates, many players who are sure to be much improved after their first offseason as a pro..

    For now I'd probably take Caris LeVert over Taurean Prince. He's been better than his #'s would indicate, a solid(lead)defender. Papagiannis is actually pretty high on the list.


    Now that many months have passed is draft it is easier for me to see why they didn't exactly value the pick, if C's might have been the strength on the board with Zubac and Papagiannis ---- No doubt that Hernangomez is a SOLID contributor this year tho..

    I think lineups such as Burks-Ingles-Hayward are viable so I was always apt to think Hill wasn't worth the cost.

    To put it bluntly when your picking 12, even in a bad draft that means there's usually gonna be some good players overlooked in the process, so it's worth examination -- it's early tho..
     
  18. Jazz4ever

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    I wonder if Dante's performance last month had DL drop his final offer by about 10%. Enough to cause Hill to test the market.
     
  19. fishonjazz

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    Hoping X really really shows us something the rest of the year. Would be nice to be excited about Dante all summer if hill walks.
     
  20. NAOS

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    I put the odds of this happening somewhere below 0.0001%
     

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